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Post by erpitrescue on Sept 21, 2009 1:42:06 GMT -5
So.. I have a question. We've never been invited to a breeder event/show before, and out of no where, the ABBA invited us to an event they are hosting in our general vicinity. We already have another event on the same date, but we have enough people willing to volunteer to help out. I just wanted to get some feedback/advice on this. Obviously, it's not the place for all the speuter talk.. but more responsible breeding, adoption options, and the support we offer to ppl who already own or are considering owning a bully? The Alabama event is the first one listed. www.abbadogs.org/
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Post by pitunia on Sept 21, 2009 21:40:12 GMT -5
Please go.......
We went to an American Bull Dog show with weight pulling competition. Wow, what an eye opening experience. I personally think that rescue needs to make an appearance at purebred shows to teach the breeders about their dogs ending up in shelters.....in a nice way.
Most breeders have no idea where their dogs end up.....and how many are euthanized in shelters (at least in MO). We talked about microchipping the dogs so they know when their pups hit the shelters. We also talked about spay/neuter contracts on their pups that they chose to send out as non-show dogs.
Believe my you will GRIT your teeth, take deep breaths, and choke on your soda...but if you do not try to educate the breeders, they remain in the dark. One step at a time, one more dog saved because you were willing to give up a day to educate in a friendly way.
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 22, 2009 9:41:43 GMT -5
Never heard of that org. I am betting you will see a lot of things that will make you cringe.
I'm not sure what to tell you - I personally wouldn't go to the event of an association that promotes American Bullys, because by definition (MY definition) such breeders are irresponsible (and I don't consider what they are breeding to be APBTs anymore). I am personally 100% against the breeding of American Bullys. RPB doesn't have an official position statement on American Bully breeding, but if you take our position on breeding in general into consideration, we are against such breeding by default.
It's a tough one. Maybe you can go there and influence. I certainly don't think it would be wrong of you to go. But if RPB would be invited to such a thing, we'd turn down the invite.
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 22, 2009 9:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 22, 2009 9:48:56 GMT -5
P.s. I'm moving this over to general discussion. (Moderator Hat: "American Bully" shows/events aren't allowed to be posted/promoted on this forum.)
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Post by pitunia on Sept 22, 2009 14:10:53 GMT -5
If rescue does not go to breeder shows and talk about the breed/pet overpopulation/and nuticles........how in the world are we going to touch a base we normally would not interact with?
By going, does not mean you are showing your support but shows you able to put aside differences to educate. What a perfect place to educate is at a breeder show. Show what happens to their dogs if not put on contracts, speutered before adopted, and the horrors of tow chain living.
It is rare that rescue is invited to a breeder show.....take advantage of it and educate. So you only change the mind of one person out of fifty...but it is a start. Also, do intel work....get to know the breeders for later usage......
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 22, 2009 14:25:25 GMT -5
If rescue does not go to breeder shows and talk about the breed/pet overpopulation/and nuticles........how in the world are we going to touch a base we normally would not interact with? By going, does not mean you are showing your support but shows you able to put aside differences to educate. What a perfect place to educate is at a breeder show. Show what happens to their dogs if not put on contracts, speutered before adopted, and the horrors of tow chain living. It is rare that rescue is invited to a breeder show.....take advantage of it and educate. So you only change the mind of one person out of fifty...but it is a start. Also, do intel work....get to know the breeders for later usage...... I do know what you are saying, but in my opinion, going to an American Bully show would be like going to a gamedog breeder convention. Not really sure there is a way to align beliefs/ideals there? My issue isn't that these are show dog people or breeders, my issue is with the fact that these are American Bully people, who, as a whole are a huge part of the problem, promoting a bad image, breeding irresponsibly dogs of mixed heritage and purposefully breeding APBTs of warped conformation. Like I said before, I don't think this is a right or wrong thing, this is just how I look at it. I condemn the whole "American Bully" movement, so I would not want to be a part of their event - my education efforts there would involve me condeming what they are doing (breeding mixed breed and badly bred APBTs). I'd be telling everyone to neuter their dogs and stop trying to distort the APBT. Maybe I am totally wrong here. There are a few things in life that I am just so opposed to, that it is difficult for me to see 'another side'. This might be one of those cases.
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Post by pitunia on Sept 22, 2009 20:18:50 GMT -5
That is why the board exists: Share ideas, share thoughts, and agree to disagree. I agree with the American Bully is a bastardization of the breed. Their movement is slamming the real American put bull terrier.
Going to the AmBull show with weight pulling...I saw dogs that were fought, abused, and I wanted to kick some owners ass. BUT, I met folks that dearly loved their dogs, gave them massages, and kissed their dogs.
I will stand by decision to go to show to at least convince one person of spay/neuter, humane treatment, and go home at night and cry.
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Post by maryellen on Sept 22, 2009 20:35:59 GMT -5
one mind changed is a start.. i did a booth once at a show i didnt want to go to ... but i changed a few minds while there, and while i didnt change all, i did change a few.. which was a start... i would go, as its a great opportunity to open if not 1 eye, maybe a few..
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 23, 2009 7:09:58 GMT -5
Well maybe you guys are right, and education is education. I will have to re-evaluate my position on such things now. Yall DO got me thinkin' Thanks for sharing!
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Post by erpitrescue on Sept 23, 2009 13:30:11 GMT -5
P.s. I'm moving this over to general discussion. (Moderator Hat: "American Bully" shows/events aren't allowed to be posted/promoted on this forum.) So sorry! Now I get to be the one feeling like a jerk! I guess I thought that since I wasn't really promoting the vent itself, or the breeder, or breeding, just trying to get feedback from people who had attended events like this as to whether or not we should go. Obviously not the place to have a Find the Bully Board, Or try to sell the "balls are for fething, neuter your pets" Ts, so I wanted to know what types of information would be most useful to bring. Again, sorry!
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 23, 2009 13:33:19 GMT -5
P.s. I'm moving this over to general discussion. (Moderator Hat: "American Bully" shows/events aren't allowed to be posted/promoted on this forum.) So sorry! Now I get to be the one feeling like a jerk! I guess I thought that since I wasn't really promoting the vent itself, or the breeder, or breeding, just trying to get feedback from people who had attended events like this as to whether or not we should go. Obviously not the place to have a Find the Bully Board, Or try to sell the "balls are for fething, neuter your pets" Ts, so I wanted to know what types of information would be most useful to bring. Again, sorry! Ohhh no, I'm sorry if that came across as a 'reprimand'. It wasn't at all, you did NOTHING wrong. Plain ole ads for "American Bully" events aren't allowed, I was just restating that forum rule. I know you were just trying to get feedback which was 100% ok. I figured this post would be better off and get more attention on the main board, so I moved it. Since the Events board tends to not be conversational and is mainly just ads, I thought people might miss your plea for feedback. If that makes sense
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Post by pitunia on Sept 23, 2009 13:41:53 GMT -5
Actually, it is a great place to have a bully board and t-shirts. It was fun to watch the "breeders" not picking the pit bull. It opened their eyes to BSL and the problems behind it. BSL will shut them down.... The best selling t-shirts at these events is: DRUM ROLL PLEASE "You think it is tough putting on condoms, trying doing it with paws" Spay/neuter your pet. The breeders loved it and the responsible breeders hate backyard/mill type breeders. It will be a learning experience...and I would love for you to share your experience when the event is over. Breeders and rescue can co-exist. We have to respect each other, learn from each other, and save as many dogs as we can.
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Post by maryellen on Sept 23, 2009 13:51:51 GMT -5
yes mary if you do an event like this i will go with you so you dont do it alone... they are not that bad, you just grit your teeth and smile ... it gets easier with each one..
omg pitunia i LOVE That shirt saying!! You think it is tough putting on condoms, trying doing it with paws" Spay/neuter your pet
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Post by RealPitBull on Sept 23, 2009 13:53:16 GMT -5
yes mary if you do an event like this i will go with you so you dont do it alone... they are not that bad, you just grit your teeth and smile ... it gets easier with each one.. omg pitunia i LOVE That shirt saying!! You think it is tough putting on condoms, trying doing it with paws" Spay/neuter your pet I'm afraid we'd get kicked out! LOL I'd have to be very selective with what material we presented. But I will take you up on that, if it comes around to us ever participating in a 'Bully' event. And yeah, how funny is that Tshirt saying!! ROFL!
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Post by maryellen on Sept 23, 2009 14:00:37 GMT -5
oh you bring ALL your material.. and put it all out.. you will be how many will come up and read the stuff pretending they arent...
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Post by maryellen on Sept 23, 2009 14:19:24 GMT -5
oh boy petunia can i post that shirt saying on my facebook page please?
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Post by suziriot on Sept 23, 2009 15:00:15 GMT -5
Gale, you know who TOTALLY needs that shirt... Liz! She can wear it to give her school presentations and she'll be doing TWO kinds of prevention!
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Post by pitunia on Sept 23, 2009 22:10:11 GMT -5
Please feel free to post the saying on Facebook. No problem...we need to get the word out. I actually took the saying from a friend of mine that does TNR. I would love to say it is mine but it is not. I prefer to be truthful and not like the other pit bull rescue group. Did you know compassion hold was a term developed by English Bulldog rescue? BCARN to be exact. They find it rather strange that a certain group is using their term to solicit funds. Mary, you would do fine at the shows. Heck, I am rather out spoken and I did not get kicked out. ;D
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