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Post by boneyardbullies on May 20, 2008 23:01:18 GMT -5
I believe tasers (at least certain ones) are illegal in certain areas. I also question the validity of such a tool as a preventative device. If what you are looking to do is prevent harm to one or both dogs, and prevent a fight, imagine what could happen if you zap a dog before it has even gone after yours (say, just approached) - lawsuit, much? If your intent is to zap a dog after it has engaged in a fight with your own dog, you'll risk tasering your own dog as well (and still may need to employ a break stick, anyway). Legality-wise, I'd be concerned about a lawsuit thrown at me should I zap someone's dog - especially being a Pit Bull owner. To me, there are far too many risks inherent in carrying a taser. I've become very good at protecting my dog, being watchful, and circumventing - and breaking up - an accidental dog fight. A break stick is a good 'just in case' tool; I don't want to rely on it. A taser to me is severe and dangerous overkill. NOT RECOMMENDED!!! (Frankly, if I have to carry a taser with me on dog walks where I lived, I'd probably want to move!) Mary, I agree with you on much of your information, but I find it very hard a stray animal approaching your leashed dog that you believe has the intent to attack your dog would have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit. You might want to look back into the law, you don't have to be touched to defend yourself. The law leaves that open for humans in the fact that if you FEEL threaten you have the right to defend yourself. The same goes for animals, how many times have you heard in the news about a stray pitbull killed by a person with a gun because they THOUGHT the dog would attack. Atleast a taser is non-lethal!!!!! Law Enforcement across the country is finding it one of the most useful tools at defusing hostile situations. As far as California goes, it is not illegal to carry a hand held taser. I believe there is regulations on the voltage is allowed to dispense. I have absolutely no hesitation to use any means necessary to prevent an altercation that could injure or kill either dog involved. Electric Tasers have the ability of temporarily stunning a living creature. As far as using it to break up a fight, I would taser my dog if need be, but like I said my goal is to never let it reach that level. Now don't think I am just some crazy guy going around tasering every loose dog. Like I said, I don't own one and have never needed to use one......YET. It would have to be a serious situation where I felt threaten by a loose dog and I didn't feel I could keep the dog at bay a taser would be a helpful tool.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 21, 2008 7:26:24 GMT -5
I'm curious to know Devin why you are suggesting and defending a tool that you have never actually used nor own?
Personally, having had multiple dogs (many of them dog aggressive) over the course of my life, I learned real quick how to safely break up a dog fight. If I had to use electric shock to break up dog fights I'd have to assume something went wrong somewhere along the line.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 21, 2008 7:28:53 GMT -5
www.tdscats.com/T & D Cats, it's a bit of a hike from NJ, you have to go all the way out to Harrisburg then follow the Susquehanna north for over an hour to get there. In the middle of nowhere (though there is a winery a mile away so you can make it a two event day if you wanted). Really a neat place, they only open in the summer to the public (though you can call any time and if they have time they'll take you around.) It's got TONS of different dangerous cats, and there are usually next to no people around, it's like having a zoo all to yourself. It's all rescue, they don't buy, breed or sell animals, they just take ones that would be put to sleep otherwise, you wouldn't BELIEVE the kind of pets people buy, I mean would you buy a Jaguar cub as a pet if you lived in the city? And they call pits dangerous! Thanks for the info, I had never heard of them. I've had a daydream for a while of owning an exotic animal rescue. I really admire the folks that do it, as they are usually these animals' only hope. People do bizarre things. You'd have to assume common sense would keep you from brining home a jaguar cub, especially to a city home, but then again, lack of common sense seems to pervade society at times ;D
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Post by tbluverjumper on May 21, 2008 9:13:42 GMT -5
Men and their toys!! ;D just kidding justttt kidding...kinda
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Post by windowdog on May 21, 2008 13:24:13 GMT -5
Been avoiding the taser discussion, but here are a couple thoughts to consider.
Tasers are pain inducing devices, they bring compliance through temporary paralysis and by subjecting the target to a short period of extreme pain. Even in an emergency the addition of extreme pain to a dog fight isn't a great idea IMHO. Animals don't comprehend things like humans do, they don't always go into shock the same way we do. With an already enraged pit you may bring about a more tragic result.
The initial effect of a tase is to make all the muscles clamp down, if the dog already has something in a choke hold then you'll be making it bite harder.
Finally tasers are calibrated to be effective against humans, specifically against a moderately overweight man. If you take the same charge than can bring down and occasionally kill a 230 lb man and put it through a 52 lb dog the risk to the animals heart is going to be considerably higher.
You simply can't equate the risks involved in tasing a human (and there are risks, people die every month due to tasers) and the risks to a dog. They're not the same.
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Post by valliesong on May 21, 2008 14:07:34 GMT -5
Laws regarding tazers are also different in every state, as are the laws regarding self defense. In many states, you will go to prison for murder if you shoot someone breaking into your house because you weren't in immediate physical danger.
Has anyone tried the citronella repellents they make to ward off stray dogs? They are supposed to be completely safe to use.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 21, 2008 14:25:53 GMT -5
Been avoiding the taser discussion, but here are a couple thoughts to consider. Tasers are pain inducing devices, they bring compliance through temporary paralysis and by subjecting the target to a short period of extreme pain. Even in an emergency the addition of extreme pain to a dog fight isn't a great idea IMHO. Animals don't comprehend things like humans do, they don't always go into shock the same way we do. With an already enraged pit you may bring about a more tragic result. The initial effect of a tase is to make all the muscles clamp down, if the dog already has something in a choke hold then you'll be making it bite harder. Finally tasers are calibrated to be effective against humans, specifically against a moderately overweight man. If you take the same charge than can bring down and occasionally kill a 230 lb man and put it through a 52 lb dog the risk to the animals heart is going to be considerably higher. You simply can't equate the risks involved in tasing a human (and there are risks, people die every month due to tasers) and the risks to a dog. They're not the same. THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by trent on May 21, 2008 18:40:29 GMT -5
On the tazer subject, are you refering to actual tazer( that shoot out the pointed spiked electrodes conected to a wire) or a hand held stun gun that u have to physicaly touch something for it to work? The tazer would be very ruff on a dog even a large dog, but a hand held stun gun can b used as an awsome tool to deter any dog, with no pain. If you've ever owned a stungun then you know that the BLOOD CURLING ELECTRIC CRACKEL that some models produce is plenty to deter almost most anything from approaching you or your dog. Using it in the manner all you have done is warded off a problem with nothing more than a strange but scary noise, with no physical harm to either animal.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 21, 2008 19:06:00 GMT -5
OK people, let's stop referring to stun guns, tasers, or any other electrical device as a means to break up fights or keep yourselves safe on walks.
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Post by mcgregor on May 23, 2008 11:41:43 GMT -5
Regarding: "I do not and will not own a break stick! I just dont give the oppertunity for a fight to happen."...........
IT does not matter if your pitbull is perfect and you dont expect it ever to have a fight that needs to be broken up......... any pitbull given the opportunity; would retaliate if provoked by another dog.... In fact if it did happen , you would need to be prepared...your pitbull would be blamed for what ever happens even if he did not start the fight........due to the festering controversy and fear over pitbulls, they are getting blamed for everything under the sun ...better to be safe than sorry,those of us with knowledge of the pitbull live with the reality of predictable behavior of our wonderful breed.......
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Post by tbluverjumper on May 23, 2008 20:56:47 GMT -5
I think if I carried a taser for any reason it would probably be to protect myself from other people! ..not so worried about the dogs. Then again walking a pit bull (though not always a good reaction, it does have its perks) does have about the same effect.
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Post by mageedog on Jul 26, 2008 9:36:54 GMT -5
I do not and will not own a break stick! I just dont give the oppertunity for a fight to happen. The point has been made several times. It is not you that provides the oppurtunity for a fight. But if it happens you need to be prepared. You CANNOT control every situation out there. Thus you cannot "Dont give the oppurtunity". That's like saying: "I don't have car insurance, cuz I don't let the accident happen".
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Post by Laurie Adams on Aug 31, 2008 20:19:40 GMT -5
I own a breakstick, Why? because "just in case" something shoul;d happen unexpecdily and out of my immediate control I do not want my dog to be hurt or killed- We are humans, humans make mistakes--so Just in case, No ones perfect, even the most dilligent of people cant predict EVERY single moment, we can predict alot but not EVERTHING, and I personally do not want to run into a situation where that 1 dog who runs up on us is the dog that means business. I want to be prepared.
I do carry one out on walks with me, although it is hidden from plain view I do this because what would look worse for the breed:
A.) something suddenly happens and my dog is being attacked in a public street by a stray, I have my stick i break it up quickly and without drama --case closed-
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B.) my dog gets attacked, I have nothing to get the other dog off my dog with so its a bloody battle out in public with people watching and screaming & blood everywhere until i can find a way to get them apart.
I would think 'A' would be much better for the Dog The Breeds Reputation Public opinion of the dog
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Post by coolhandjean on Oct 4, 2008 12:33:25 GMT -5
I do my best to make sure my dogs never break out in a fight, and so far, so good. However, you never know what will happen, so, I keep a break stick around for "just in case" moments. I pray I will never have to use it, but would rather have it around just in case, then not have it if something did happen.
Anything could happen. It's best to be prepared, then sorry. IMO.
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Post by tombaughapbts on Oct 30, 2008 12:13:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry this is an old thread but im going to jump in. I've got several intact males around my home, including intact females. I have several break sticks, no matter how much you try to prevent a fight, or never give them the oppertunity, sh*t happens. I've tried to prevent fights and I'll admit I've had a couple, if you think you can always keep your dogs from fighting your wrong. You may not of "yet" had a fight between your dogs, it could be tomorrow, are years from now but its eventually going to happen. A break stick is a very humane way of breaking up a fight, as far as a taser.....let me stick one on you see how you like it.
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Post by apbt4me on Nov 2, 2008 9:19:07 GMT -5
I'm pretty new here and thought I'd chime in. I agree that every Pit Bull owner should have at least one break stick. I've owned APBTs for almost 14 years and currently I have 4, 3 males & 1 female; I have in the past had 4 males (all my dogs are or have been s/n). I have **yet** to have to use a break stick on my dogs to break up a fight (knocks wood); so far a sharp "NO, KNOCK IT OFF" has worked. But I am a strong believer that one can't ever be too prepared, especially since I'm home alone a lot of the time. It would be very difficult for me to break up a fight without one. So yes, I own 2 break sticks 1 outside & 1 inside.
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Post by smilinpitbull on Nov 2, 2008 13:30:59 GMT -5
And I'm jumping in on this old thread too. I own a break stick but I've never had to use it. It doesn't leave my house but I have been approached out walking my dog by off leash dogs. If the dog gets close enough, I usually put myself between that dog and my dog and it gets hit across the face with the leash. I don't want her to get into a fight, I don't care if she could "take" the other dog, I don't need the hassle from anyone about my aggressive dog. So far that's all that has been needed for one particular dog who now sees me, hackles go up and tail goes between his legs and he stays clear of the two of us.
BEFORE a fight happens, there are thing you can do such as the citronella spray or a can of bear repellent (watch out not to spray you or your dog). Yelling and stepping forward. It all depends on the intent of the oncoming dog. Most are just territorial dogs that are just being a pain in the ass.
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Post by pitpupmom on Nov 12, 2008 8:47:30 GMT -5
Personally I am looking to getting a breakstick just because of my neighbors dog. He's killed other dogs and yes unfortunately he's a pit. And I have to walk past his house with odie to get to the park. And there have been times he's gotten out. He's attacked my other dog years ago. He's not human aggressive but very dog aggressive. Also as Odie gets older and I want to start taking him to shows and pulls, I believe you can never not have a breakstick with you. At Pitbull Awareness day here there was one incident and I don't think there was a breakstick in site. If there was the fight wouldn't have been as bad as the owners irresponsibility. And it would help with injuries not being as bad. I'm also 5'3" 130lbs. Odie will be around 65 or more pounds so I think for me it would be optimal.
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 12, 2008 12:36:05 GMT -5
There are breaksticks available from PBRC.net - and the proceeds go to rescue
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Post by maryellen on Nov 12, 2008 12:46:44 GMT -5
pitpupmom, instead of walking past this dogs house, either drive to the park or walk another way. i have 2 breaksticks, one in the house and one in my truck
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