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Post by loverocksalot on Jul 11, 2012 20:47:16 GMT -5
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Post by AmyJo27 on Jul 11, 2012 21:44:08 GMT -5
Uh yea, me too. :/ A "smart" community...umm ok it can happen ANY WHERE!!
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Post by catstina on Jul 11, 2012 21:57:35 GMT -5
That post pissed me off, as well. Sometimes I feel like she is just looking for attention. What also pisses me off is the fact that Kim hasn't mentioned Miami's vote on her page, Sarge's page or AFF's page AT ALL until the tiny footnote on that post. I can't help but think that it's because AFF isn't a part of the campaign that they don't want to mention it.
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Post by emilys on Jul 11, 2012 21:59:13 GMT -5
as I PMed a couple of folks: Actually Sarge IS like Lennox, being 1) dead and 2) not a pit bull
It's not like I'm happy that dogs people call "pit bulls" are targeted by these laws; it's not that I LIKE pit bulls dying... but there's a creepy "every dog could be Lennox" theme going on (which fits the AFF "every dog is a pit bull" or, as I see in their latest formulation a " "pit bull" dog" ...).
Um, no. Most dogs are safe. You don't get to have the "oh I'm a victim" sympathy.
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Post by johnr on Jul 11, 2012 22:04:03 GMT -5
I see the "I am Lennox" campaign as a simple statement of solidarity. I'm not posting anything like that because, well, there is so much else going on and this case is kind of covered. But I am glad to see how many people, and especially how many people who don't take marching orders from people who imagine themselves the leaders of anti-BSL, have obviously been touched by the case.
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Post by melonie on Jul 11, 2012 22:23:25 GMT -5
I did not really follow the Lennox thing closely because emotionally I couldn't deal with it. Pathetic probably, but right now it's been hard because of Sahara and Listo. (which SEPR is searching for a foster home for but he's still at the shelter) I've been trying to just worry about the things I can help with now.
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Post by emilys on Jul 11, 2012 22:47:06 GMT -5
I see the "I am Lennox" campaign as a simple statement of solidarity. I'm not posting anything like that because, well, there is so much else going on and this case is kind of covered. But I am glad to see how many people, and especially how many people who don't take marching orders from people who imagine themselves the leaders of anti-BSL, have obviously been touched by the case. I truly hope it's about solidarity. And I truly hope that some smart people, anywhere, find a way to use it to change laws. And I truly hope that some deep-pocket national groups help local folks enable the anti-BSL message.. and ACTION. Like in Florida with that potentially scary vote.. but...... |
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Post by adoptapitbull on Jul 12, 2012 6:11:29 GMT -5
To Pit Bull owners, the Lennox case is upsetting, but not shocking. We know this crap happens all the time. We know the injustice. But I think the positive part of the Lennox case is that non-Pit Bull owners are realizing what can happen. BSL to a Lab owner is like speaking in tongues. They don't get it, care, or think it can affect them. However, we all know how easy it is for a dog to get tied up in BSL nonsense.
If his case raises awareness to all dog owners and in turn motivates more people to join the anti-BSL team, then I think the family's fight (and everyone and their mother posting a FB photo) was well worth it.
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Post by loverocksalot on Jul 12, 2012 6:34:35 GMT -5
Exactly I posted a photo and such because that is the only way I know to get the word out to people. Particularly people I really dont know personally but they have heard about myself and Rocky and our work, maybe they have heard the story and how I got Rocky. The post that was made felt more like an attack. All that had to be said was I am not Lennox because I live in a safe place. Or something like that then give the educational material. I guess it bugged me because i had just posted a photo and the next post on my feed was that and not what I expected. I had not really followed lennox over the years either, I am aware of bsl across the country but I have not put a whole lot of effort into it because I too live in a place where it is not of much issue right now. I can not afford to go to Miami and take photos in front of signs to get the word out. But for someone to imply that because my dog lives in a safe place and has a facebook page etc, that I should not consider him a Lennox or that I should get out and do more about BSl has got some nerve.
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Post by adoptapitbull on Jul 12, 2012 6:45:14 GMT -5
Exactly I posted a photo and such because that is the only way I know to get the word out to people. Particularly people I really dont know personally but they have heard about myself and Rocky and our work, maybe they have heard the story and how I got Rocky. The post that was made felt more like an attack. All that had to be said was I am not Lennox because I live in a safe place. Or something like that then give the educational material. I guess it bugged me because i had just posted a photo and the next post on my feed was that and not what I expected. I had not really followed lennox over the years either, I am aware of bsl across the country but I have not put a whole lot of effort into it because I too live in a place where it is not of much issue right now. I can not afford to go to Miami and take photos in front of signs to get the word out. But for someone to imply that because my dog lives in a safe place and has a facebook page etc, that I should not consider him a Lennox or that I should get out and do more about BSl has got some nerve. It was almost like they were mad at everyone's support for Lennox. Maybe it's because they feel that people forgot about Sarge for a minute. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Jul 12, 2012 6:53:52 GMT -5
I did as I even put on the thread title as AFF this pisses me off. I deleted AFF once I realized it was Sarge's FB page not AFF but I sure felt like it was AFF. I guess this "Kim is AFF" like "I am Lennox".
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 12, 2012 8:13:23 GMT -5
While I kinda get what she is saying, I think her point is really poorly executed.
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 12, 2012 8:14:41 GMT -5
really really poorly executed!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 12, 2012 8:29:27 GMT -5
She seems like she is flip-flopping all over the place in her response to comments. I dunno, like usual, AFF stuff is just making me go WTF ???
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 12, 2012 8:33:15 GMT -5
flip flopping and contradicting herself. I just don't like the sanctimonious tude or maybe that is just how it struck me.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 12, 2012 8:35:21 GMT -5
She really needs to stop directly calling people out. I'm surprised AFF is cool with this. She does it ALL the time. I'm glad Roo set her straight about Victoria Stillwell being actively involved in BSL and um, from the UK so yeah, makes sense she's concerned about Lennox.
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Post by emilys on Jul 12, 2012 10:42:24 GMT -5
she keeps saying "state preemption" as if that actually means something.
Maybe she doesn't know that there are places in NY (where state law forbids BSL) that have BSL...???
I didn't know about Stillwell being active, so I was interested to see Roo's comments.. frankly, she seemed a little late to the issue to me.
BTW, Kim posted somewhere about moving to Florida.. no response to questions about whether she would still be working for AFF
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Post by catstina on Jul 12, 2012 11:00:30 GMT -5
Florida also has a law prohibiting BSL, but just look at Miami-Dade...
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Post by loverocksalot on Jul 12, 2012 12:44:57 GMT -5
Yeah supposedly New York does but I live in this state and was not aware of any of it until I went on the map on PBRC to find that it is unknown and unconfirmed most places are high crime gang areas. The dogs run rampant in the streets there and ACO does not really have the man power. One is a nice I believe an upscale place called Larchmont.Summary: In Larchmont, New York, no person may sell, purchase, possess, rent, lease or harbor a pit bull terrier with exceptions for registered dogs. Registration requirements include proof of $500,000 liability insurance, properly confining or securing the dog, and posting notice signs. Failure to comply could result in imprisonment of up to six month and/or a fine of up to $1,000.
Apparently she has not done the research then as some of these places are not very far from AFF.
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Post by emilys on Jul 12, 2012 14:28:15 GMT -5
Yeah supposedly New York does but I live in this state and was not aware of any of it until I went on the map on PBRC to find that it is unknown and unconfirmed most places are high crime gang areas. The dogs run rampant in the streets there and ACO does not really have the man power. One is a nice I believe an upscale place called Larchmont.Summary: In Larchmont, New York, no person may sell, purchase, possess, rent, lease or harbor a pit bull terrier with exceptions for registered dogs. Registration requirements include proof of $500,000 liability insurance, properly confining or securing the dog, and posting notice signs. Failure to comply could result in imprisonment of up to six month and/or a fine of up to $1,000. Apparently she has not done the research then as some of these places are not very far from AFF. indeed.. because you'd think AFF would make it a priority to fight BSL in their own state, where it is counter to state law. In states like this, the laws fall pretty readily, but someone has to make a point of doing something. |
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