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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2012 12:14:49 GMT -5
This thread is much better than his FB page.  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 13, 2012 12:17:02 GMT -5
This thread is much better than his FB page. "Like!" |
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 15:04:51 GMT -5
My eyes are burning from reading that. I dont want to engage in it either. But I do want to say here. Mary you have saved dogs. I know that for a fact. Thank you for being among those who helped to save my dog from assholes like him. Thank God I caught on and figured out that that type of training was quickly turning my well behaved pup into a fear aggressive puppy real fast. I will forever be grateful for finding The Real Pit Bull!
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 13, 2012 15:11:52 GMT -5
My eyes are burning from reading that. I dont want to engage in it either. But I do want to say here. Mary you have saved dogs. I know that for a fact. Thank you for being among those who helped to save my dog from assholes like him. Thank God I caught on and figured out that that type of training was quickly turning my well behaved pup into a fear aggressive puppy real fast. I will forever be grateful for finding The Real Pit Bull! This post just made my day. Thank you so much CA  |
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 15:20:22 GMT -5
Your Welcome and I mean every bit of it. I still have that image in my mind of the RPB page when i opened it and saw a picture of you with your dog. I felt so blessed to find that page that day in a search. And you have helped me to share my story, which may have also possibly saved other dogs. As for that FB thread I have decided that is a battle is not worth the fight. I rather put my energy into promoting and supporting the positive trainers and if I comment that will be all I will comment on. In fact I think I will just go do it to support Mary and leave it at that.
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 15:22:34 GMT -5
but one thing if I comment on that will his crap start coming up on my fb feed? Cause I cant stand it!
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 13, 2012 15:34:19 GMT -5
but one thing if I comment on that will his crap start coming up on my fb feed? Cause I cant stand it! I haven't seen anything else from him, only one other thing that Cat had posted on. |
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Post by michele5611 on Nov 13, 2012 16:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by melonie on Nov 13, 2012 17:45:33 GMT -5
I couldn't follow the fb crap. I can only handle so much dumb, before it pisses me off.
I feel bad for the dogs lives he's ruining, and ruining potentially good owners with bad information. I just hope someday someone 'dominates' him and treats him like a little b!tch.
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 18:52:06 GMT -5
After looking at the facebook stuff a bit it actually made me think if Rocky still remembers any of his training which I have slacked off on big time. Now that he is 7 I have just let him be a lazy dog. He was sitting by the stove looking at the pot of plain ziti leftover. So I decided to get him to work for a ziti. To my surprise he came to a silent call by patting my hand to my chest and half way I did a silent down signal and he went right down. But then I saw the video Michelle posted and I have to admit I am jealous of that because I could never comfortably allow Rocky to be off lead on a trail let alone with other dogs and people I dont know running around. I also must commend that dog for his tolerance of off lead dogs running by and sniffing him. I sure hope he is just a very sound obedient dog and not just fearful of what will happen to him if he does not obey.
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Post by michele5611 on Nov 13, 2012 19:13:31 GMT -5
His philosophy....
Tyson Kilmer Well Jenny I train the aggression away through creating a culture of listening and obeying which I then transfer on to the aggressive tendencies of a dog...But we cannot rid the aggression until the culture of trust and listening has become habitual"
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Post by suziriot on Nov 13, 2012 19:24:10 GMT -5
That's not a philosophy, that's the incoherent mumblings of a moron.
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 19:32:00 GMT -5
I can only hope that the one comment of DOzer looking for more information on how she can work with her dog Dozer on his issues will give the ideas a try especially looking through the book Mary mentioned. Which I am proud to say my library now has a copy of that book as per our request!
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 13, 2012 19:35:43 GMT -5
Haha I got my poor dad reading the comments right now.
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2012 22:14:08 GMT -5
Here's a revelation for you all... I used to be a lot like that guy. I bought into the generally accepted mantra that you needed to dominate your dog to get it to be what you wanted. I mentioned to Mary that the one of the worst things I did to all my dogs was to read books on training by Kohler and the Monks of New Skete. I've since learned of you treat dogs like family rather than animals your bond with them is much stronger. That bond is what gives you a pet wants to do right, rather than living in fear of what can happen if it makes the wrong decision.
I once had four dogs that would walk together side by side at heal, and would not break. They were robots, doing what they were told because they did not like the consequences.
I now have three dogs that couldn't give two sh!ts about healing, and each are individuals that live life fully, and enjoy their time with me. And I with them. I'm very happy that I left my "Tyson Kilmer" self behind a long time ago.
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Post by catstina on Nov 13, 2012 22:38:43 GMT -5
Did you also type in rambling incoherent prose?  Glad you we're converted! |
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2012 22:41:54 GMT -5
Did you also type in rambling incoherent prose? Nevah! Nor Ebonics. Not converted, but educated and evolved. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 14, 2012 8:12:44 GMT -5
You and many positive trainers have evolved. That is the beauty of it. I too started out in training where it seemed the trainer guy worked magic with the dogs. He was a show dog trainer and knew alot about dogs. He seemed to like the dogs and I am sure he did not mean to harm them. But Rocky went into basic training about a week or 2 after adoption at 4 or 5 months old already healing and sitting and looking at me all the time. If I looked at him he sat. He came to me like that. Totally interested in me. We did the whole basic class without that trainer ever grabbing the leash from me and taking hold like he did with the other dogs. He often told me to correct Rocky if he got to far ahead of my knee but I only pretended to do it. I did not like doing it. Then on to after basic, I continued to go because I got a half price discount because he was a shelter dog. 8 wks 40 bucks seemed like good deal and this way I could socialize my pit bull. This is where Rocky began his whining business. It got horrible. And the trainer noticed that Rocky was less restless and misbehaved when one dog did not show up for class. That other dog was so misbehaved. That dog got the penny can treatment in a separate room one day. By this point I think Rocky was like 7 months old and still a nippy puppy at home only he no longer seemed to enjoy going to the class. And halfway through is when that trainer was doing a stand stay for exam, when he leaned to pet Rocky of course Rocky was so happy to see him that he attempted to jump on him. And that was when trainer grabbed the collar and twisted it pushing Rocky off of him and yelling. Rocky snapped right at him and as I said before that resulted in an even harsher collar grab and shake. As much as that is a horrible experience for me and Rocky I am grateful that it happened. Because I would have never have run across Mary, I may have never have confided in Maryellen on the forum we came and went from. And I could have had a problem dog because I know that would have gotten worse. Unfortunately Rocky is still whiny and restless when in places other than home. I have never been able to work that out. If focus is not completely on him at all times he starts. We tried working on it once in one of the positive classes by me being his reward when he stopped his crying and barking but it only worked for the moment. THis dog is so smart that somewhere along the way I guess I rewarded him for his whining and he learned that it annoys us so much he gets the attention he wants. When I did my lecture at the library so many people were ready to evolve from using CM methods to the more positive approach. When they see the science when you see happy dogs like Rocky in action even with his whiny business it is enlightening. It is so much less stressful to make daily tasks routine with the dogs so that you dont even know you are training. We are training every day. And dont get me wrong we are not a perfect household. My husband can be harsh and loose it sometimes. Rocky will high tail it to a safe place if the F word comes out in telling a story even. If the voice gets slightly raised he can be cowering in a corner. And yes we coddle him when and if that happens. It can be hard for a dog living in a house with raging teenage emotions but the dog always settles it when you see how upset he is about what is going on.
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 14, 2012 8:27:10 GMT -5
I can only hope that the one comment of DOzer looking for more information on how she can work with her dog Dozer on his issues will give the ideas a try especially looking through the book Mary mentioned. Which I am proud to say my library now has a copy of that book as per our request! We'll see. She emailed me privately and I sent her some information and told her she was welcome to ask any questions, etc. Haven't heard back from her (yet). |
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 14, 2012 10:01:24 GMT -5
I can only hope that the one comment of DOzer looking for more information on how she can work with her dog Dozer on his issues will give the ideas a try especially looking through the book Mary mentioned. Which I am proud to say my library now has a copy of that book as per our request! We'll see. She emailed me privately and I sent her some information and told her she was welcome to ask any questions, etc. Haven't heard back from her (yet). Well that is how it starts. If what she is currently doing not working but an open mind gives it a try, then she will find how and why it works and that her dog is much less stressed. |
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I look forward to learning much here
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I look forward to learning much here
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