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Post by valliesong on Mar 15, 2009 22:26:21 GMT -5
Thank you. My seal started like yours but she is mostly seal all over with white toes. That's a snowshoe.
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Post by lpyrbby on Mar 15, 2009 22:29:52 GMT -5
I'm really NOT trying to be rude, but how is this okay? There's even MORE cats dying in shelters than there are dogs and it's okay to breed them for color? It's okay to breed a cat that one isn't quite sure is purebred?
I will throw this out there that I'm not 100% savvy on cat breeds, but momma doesn't look very siamese to me.
We promote spueter for our dogs and other animals, but, this is okay? Breeding of cats for color reasons? Because people want them (just like people want our dogs etc.)
I apologize for being in one of those moods tonight but this thread really rubbed me the wrong way. What's done is done and THANK YOU for getting the kitties fixed. I'm just really disappointed.
The kittens are adorable no doubt, but how many more will be lost now?
/end soapbox rant....
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 8:27:50 GMT -5
In the cat world, isn't color viewed a little differently than in dogs? Like in some horse breeds, where registry isn't necessarily based on 'purity of breed', but color (for instance, Appaloosa people breed for color - if they didn't there wouldn't be any Appaloosas).
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 8:29:37 GMT -5
P.s. I don't necessarily have a problem with planned litters in cats, as Andrea's described in this thread considering that people came to her not just because of the projected color of the kittens, but also because of the socialization they get at a young age.
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Post by DiamondTiger on Mar 16, 2009 8:37:00 GMT -5
Color me stupid... I'm not a cat person so I really don't know all that much about them. From what I see in that picture of momma cat... she doesn't appear to be much of a Siamese, but more of a "ticked tabby". I've never heard of a "dirty sock cat". Could somebody point me in the direction of some sites or books where I could learn more about these cats? Mary, I think the point Alicia was trying to make with her post is that there are so many cats in this country dying in shelters, that it SHOULD matter to folks just as much when they consider breeding as it does with dogs. I personally see no difference in cats and dogs when it comes to breeding for color or anything less than to better the breed. A homeless cat/dog is a homeless cat/dog and lives are still lost regardless of species. Not trying to offend anyone here, but it's hard to sit on this and hold my tongue as I sit here worrying about the countless numbers of wonderful animals that I KNOW are sitting in shelters crying to have someone take them out of their kennels and condos - to take them home, or waiting for their turn to get the needle.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 8:51:45 GMT -5
"Dirty sock camo cat" is a reference to another thread where the color of the cats was mentioned as looking like a 'dirty sock'. It was just a joke
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 8:58:41 GMT -5
Oh, and of course cats dying in shelters matters to me, and I don't endorse random cat breeding. From my understanding, Andrea's cats came from breeders, are purebred, she had a waiting list for the kittens, and all are already adopted. I don't really know anything about the purebred cat world - I've always had rescue cats of unknown origin. But if people are looking for a specific 'type' of cat, I don't think it's wrong to obtain that sort of cat from a breeder.
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Post by DiamondTiger on Mar 16, 2009 8:59:25 GMT -5
Ohhhhh lol! Okie... thanks for clearing that up for me!
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 9:46:12 GMT -5
Maybe the people with purebred cat experience would be willing to give us novices a little tutorial on how all this breed, color and registry stuff works? I know I'd be interested in learning more!
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Post by valliesong on Mar 16, 2009 11:29:33 GMT -5
These are what quality colorpoint shorthairs (the registered name for lynx point siamese) should look like: Judge for yourself. www.cfa.org/breeds/profiles/colorpoint.htmlCat showing is almost identical to conformation showing in dogs, with the main difference being that there are classes for spayed and neutered cats. As with dogs, breedings should take place with titled, health tested cats that conform to the breed standard. www.cfa.org/shows.htmlwww.cfa.org/exhibitors/new-exhibitors.htmlMore colorpoints: PS - Any litter of kittens can be socialized and make great pets, regardless of breed. I have been involved in the adoptions of MANY kittens who were well-socialized, some that had been in foster care and others that came off the street that way.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 11:52:32 GMT -5
So are we talking show quality vs pet quality here? Val, you posted a pic of a lynx point earlier in this thread that looks like Andrea's cats, which don't look anything like the lynx points posted above......Are these the same breed? I'm confused LOL
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 11:55:23 GMT -5
Another question: is this a case of 'lynx point' the color which can appear regardless of breed and 'lynx point Siamese'?
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Post by valliesong on Mar 16, 2009 12:38:53 GMT -5
Any cat can appear with a lynx point, which is what I was trying to point out. It doesn't mean the cat is purebred or worthy of breeding. There are also a lot of "backyard" and "kitten mill" cats just like there are with dogs. Sorry to be confusing.
Breeding just for the color lynx point or white or calico or whatever would be like me breeding two mutts together and hoping they would all come out the same color. It's probably not going to happen, and the color tells me nothing about the quality of the cats produced.
Colorpoint shorthairs, often called lynx point siamese by the layperson, are a purebred cat just like a persian or a ragdoll. Like an APBT, they have specific conformational and behavioral qualities. The persian has a flat face, round eyes, and long hair, and tends to be very quiet and laid back. So a persian isn't just a longhair cat, and a colorpoint shorthair isn't just a fancy colored cat. And just like with dogs, you can have a cat "with papers" who was poorly bred and doesn't share all the qualities of a well bred animal.
Just like in dog rescue, cat rescues get in well bred and poorly bred examples of every breed. Most people looking for a "pet" purebred cat aren't looking for perfect conformation, so most rescues and shelters find it acceptable to label cats of unknown heritage that closely resemble a specific breed with the name of the specific breed. Petfinder also lists cats by color, so "lynx point" is usually the closest you can get to labeling them. (I used their Petfinder labels here.) Most of the cats I posted were "best guess" labels except the oriental shorthairs, which are the same conformation as the colorpoint shorthairs and siamese, but without points.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 16, 2009 13:08:25 GMT -5
Ah hah!!! Ok, thank you! Much clearer to me now.
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Post by angels8 on Mar 16, 2009 15:31:09 GMT -5
Those cats that are posted are traditional "wedge head" orientals, The ones like mine are the "apple head" style. The only way you can tell a show cat is like a show dog, with property registration of heritage.
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