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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 17, 2011 9:40:27 GMT -5
Here's Colby's Tige:  Does not look like the modern, show ADBA dog, IMO:  |
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Post by emilys on Oct 17, 2011 10:05:17 GMT -5
The notion that the only authentic APBT is one that looks like an underfed ADBA dog is just as wrong as the notion that an APBT should look like a fat waddling pig. And as wrong as the notion that every AmStaff does look like a fat waddling pig. Finally, the notion that our dogs today should look like they could fight for hours in the pit is not just retrograde, it makes my skin crawl. Well said!!! And chuteboxe, I think you'll find that Emily is pretty educated on all aspects regarding Pit Bulls.....I think you two might actually have more to agree on than argue about; there may be some misinterpretation going on in this thread. I think chutebox is very young and believes the dogman line of crap. He also seems naive about the nature of historical evidence. I've spent almost 20 years having these same discussions with people like him. Color me not surprised that he doesn't want to "conversate" with me.... or provide evidence to back up his statements The reason APBTs suffer from dysplasia is because the dogman line of crap on this issue is that fighting dogs couldn't fight if they were dysplastic. ( Of course at the same time they glorify the notion that pit bulls fight beyond pain. ) So even today, many advocates of the socalled "game dogs" denigrate health testing and say it's not necessary. And they breed dysplastic dogs together... increasing the likelihood that future dogs will also have that disease. Do they care that their dogs are living in pain? Will they spend the $1000s of dollars in the surgery necessary to ease their dog's pain? Dont make me laugh. Or cry. and BTW, here's Colby's page of some pre-1900 dogs: www.colbypitbull.com/not a ripped dog among them here's a photo of one of the most famous early gamedogs of all time, Lloyd's Pilot. not ripped either  |
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Post by fureverywhere on Oct 17, 2011 10:08:06 GMT -5
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Post by fureverywhere on Oct 17, 2011 10:09:01 GMT -5
Rahhh, didn't work
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 17, 2011 10:35:15 GMT -5
There are definitely health and temperament problems with the gamebred/working dogs too. Dog bred to work does not mean automatically healthier than show/pet-bred dogs esp when breeders of the latter are actually health testing and trying to weed out defects while breeders of the former aren't doing ANY testing at all.
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Post by chuteboxe on Oct 17, 2011 13:33:42 GMT -5
ok i see you dont like the game dog line you are entitled to that. but dont tell me that game dogs dont get the treatment they deserve obviously you beleive in the medias misinformation of how dogmen take care of their dogs. and how they live in pain.
obviously you are not a fighter probably dont enjoy being in one maybe thats why you cant get your head around it. i train boxing and MMA and frankly enjoy being in heat of combat when im in there i dont mind the hard knocks as i enjoy the competition. where someone like you wouldnt.
tell me have you ever watched an MMA match where the men/women have had there face/head split in different areas through elbow strikes bleeding through their eyes. forest griffen, ace franklin and many others have there arms broken in the fight still fighting on and to win the match? they have the love of battle and fighting drive familiar of these dogs. mankind will always cherish this trait whether people like it or not. this drive is what has won our freedom.
gamebred APBT been breed over 300 years for battle you honestly think that they wouldnt have this drive? to block the pain because there love for battle is so rich, really think they wouldnt carry this trait. the spartan society was based and evolved on this breeding bravest with the brave.
ive been ther my last match i had two bottom ribs broken on my left side in the first round! i knew something was wrong in between rounds but in the fight nothing i enjoy the fight. i finished the fight went GP found out had 2 broken ribs.
about the colby dogs they are not in condition. dogmen dont condition their dogs all year round they push the excercise for one month before a show that what gives them that very ripped thin athletic look. and they do healthtest their dogs to get the best out of a athlete he has to be %100 similar to human sports.
and i am not for the matching of dogs beleive the people involved now are criminals and completely different to the dogmen of the past. but see i like the history of this dog.
i apologize for any offence i have given that was not my intent. but know my opinion and respect yours. hope we can leave this arguement at this. really think the problem in this world is not accepting other peoples opinions or beleifs. i hope this hasnt tainted my character in your eyes. thank you
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 17, 2011 13:43:41 GMT -5
Chuteboxe, the bottom line is that dog fighting is illegal. I could argue a whole bunch of points in your post but right now I don't feel like it. I actually love gamebred dogs, but I won't support gamedog breeders because by definition gamedog breeders are breaking the law. Not to mention the abuse issue. If you'd like to know more about how I personally feel about dog fighting and the breed's drive (which they do have, fight drive - which is defense-based) and so-called/supposed "love for fighting", you can read the following page off the RPB website (RPB is the organization that hosts this forum): realpitbull.com/dogfighting.htmlBy the way, I am actually a huge MMA fan. I've even taken a couple Muay Thai classes and enjoyed the bruises  |
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Post by suziriot on Oct 17, 2011 13:49:52 GMT -5
"ok i see you dont like the game dog line you are entitled to that. but dont tell me that game dogs dont get the treatment they deserve obviously you beleive in the medias misinformation of how dogmen take care of their dogs. and how they live in pain.
obviously you are not a fighter probably dont enjoy being in one maybe thats why you cant get your head around it. i train boxing and MMA and frankly enjoy being in heat of combat when im in there i dont mind the hard knocks as i enjoy the competition. where someone like you wouldnt."
Ok. Wow. We're now talking about two different issues: 1) dog fighting and 2) the physical condition of the dogs. I understand that in your argument they are related, but the point that we are trying to make is that they should NOT be related when it comes to the appropriate physical condition of the dog. And i understand that you are using the human fighting condition as an analogy, but I just don't think that is at all appropriate in this context. Humans choose to be in a certain physical condition for a specific type of activity or sport that they choose to participate in. Dogmen keep the dogs in a certain physical condition for an illegal and cruel purpose that the dogs HAVE NO CHOICE but are forced to participate in.
Keeping the dogs in good physical condition is important as far as their health - meaning they should not be over developed or, conversely, overweight. The standard has nothing to do with how long they can stay in a fight.
And please do not EVEN ATTEMPT to argue with us about how dog fighters treat their dogs. We have seen it and we do know it. You're not talking to some inexperienced newbs on this forum. The dogs are treated horrifically, and we know that because we've seen it firsthand. Not because we believe some so-called media hype.
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Post by mhaze on Oct 17, 2011 14:02:34 GMT -5
not buying the squeaky clean image of so called dogmen, old or new.
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Post by suziriot on Oct 17, 2011 14:10:53 GMT -5
not buying the squeaky clean image of so called dogmen, old or new. Absolutely. It's not just the "new" type of dog fighters. We've seen it firsthand with the old school guys as well, with old school gamebred dogs. |
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Post by michele5611 on Oct 17, 2011 14:11:12 GMT -5
While some may argue that the dogmen treated their dogs “better” than today’s fighters I make no discernable distinction between the two. Dogfighting is not consentual- never has been, never will be. We can as Mhaze said "learn from history while not admiring it."
Did I get that right Mike?
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 17, 2011 14:17:52 GMT -5
not buying the squeaky clean image of so called dogmen, old or new. Absolutely. It's not just the "new" type of dog fighters. We've seen it firsthand with the old school guys as well, with old school gamebred dogs. Yeah dogmen definitely sell a false bill of goods when it comes to how great they supposedly treat the dogs and how much the dogs love fighting. Chuteboxe, just FYI, a bunch of us on this forum are rescue people and have worked hands-on with fight bust dogs. These aren't dogs saved from gangbanger wannabe street fighter types, but oldschool type gamedog breeders. I'm not sure what your experience with the breed is, or what sort of exposure you've had to fighting dogs. But a lot of what you said I have to disagree with based on firsthand knowledge as well as the experiences friends of mine have had and shared with me. This doesn't have to turn into a war, hopefully we can share and discuss, not argue. The posts on this thread are now getting off topic of the color blue, so I'd like to move to the main forum and see where a gamedog discussion can go.... anyone, um, game?  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 17, 2011 14:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by michele5611 on Oct 17, 2011 14:23:56 GMT -5
see ya there.....
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Post by mhaze on Oct 17, 2011 14:33:49 GMT -5
While some may argue that the dogmen treated their dogs “better” than today’s fighters I make no discernable distinction between the two. Dogfighting is not consentual- never has been, never will be. We can as Mhaze said "learn from history while not admiring it." Did I get that right Mike? Absolutely. |
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Post by catstina on Oct 17, 2011 18:39:36 GMT -5
I am really disturbed by the turn this took...
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Post by emilys on Oct 17, 2011 18:43:49 GMT -5
I am really disturbed by the turn this took... I knew where it was going from his intro. He's a gamedog cultist. Anyone who posts that the APBT is 300 years old is simply not worth talking to. |
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Post by catstina on Oct 17, 2011 19:22:43 GMT -5
I am really disturbed by the turn this took... I knew where it was going from his intro. He's a gamedog cultist. Anyone who posts that the APBT is 300 years old is simply not worth talking to. Yeah, I raised an  (then rolled my eyes) at the "300 year history" of the APBT as well. |
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Post by chuteboxe on Oct 17, 2011 22:46:59 GMT -5
i apologize i will leave. was not my intent to offend. god bless.
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Post by loverocksalot on Oct 18, 2011 7:20:04 GMT -5
Woa what happened on this thread. Yikes. I do not usually get involved in argument threads I do not like confrontations. I am interested in history of all kinds including the history of the breed. Why because I adopted a dog from a shelter that as a pup that I was told was a APBT. DOnt know where he came from, dont have any papers. But now I do not call him anything other than an APBT mix because It is what it is. I use to refer to him as an AM Staff just to avoid confrontation with the neighbors who have no idea what an amstaff or a pit bull for that matter. And frankly he is extremely healthy, stays fit with average exercise of walks. Impresses the vet with his muscular stature. And I am just blown away by the arguments I hear over my pit bull is better because of the breeder, color whatever etc etc. I DONT CARE! What I do care about is the people who are responsible dog owners despite when and where they got their dog from. Fighting is history and I accept that but its HISTORY. I dont think you should leave yet chuteboxe maybe you have some history to share but please take those of us who have our dogs because we wanted to save shelter throw away's and rescues. You dont want to make us feel as though our dogs are lesser than others. read the historical thread that is on here somewhere. Many of the points brought up here have been discussed there. It was a fascinating thread.
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