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Post by marc on Jan 18, 2011 16:50:41 GMT -5
Gang, need some help.
So when I'm working with Jackie with treats, we'll go through some things she knows, and then i'll take some pauses.
I'll ask her for nothing , and she'll go through her repertoire of everything thing she knows to try to get a treat from me.
Is this normal? does it indicate anything good or bad with how i'm progressing with her?
thanks!
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Post by Dave on Jan 18, 2011 16:56:20 GMT -5
Dude, you taught her how to wrap you around her little "finger".  She's a smart one. You're going to have to vary your training routines to keep her off balance. |
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Post by suziriot on Jan 18, 2011 16:58:05 GMT -5
LOL! Totally normal! I think it indicates that she's a smart girl and that she's ready to learn some new stuff. Do you do treats only or do you do clicker training with treats? |
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Post by sugar on Jan 18, 2011 17:16:49 GMT -5
Yeah, chubby does that. Not bad or good, just is.
In your pup's mind, this is whats going on: I want a cookie. How 'bout I sit for a cookie? No? Ok, how 'bout I give paw for a cookie? No? Ok, how 'bout I roll over for a cookie? No? Ok, how 'bout..."
on and on unless they figure out what will get them that cookie. My friend's uber smart dog goes through all of his tricks (half of them being circus related tricks) which also includes the dog's really creeeeepy way of saying the words "I love you" (seriously, it could give you chills).
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Post by michele5611 on Jan 18, 2011 17:32:43 GMT -5
Agree with everyone...she is a smarty pants! Vary the training and teach her some new stuff.
About three years ago Harley broke a few toes...she had a run in with a tree while chasing a squirrel in the backyard-this led her to be in a bootie for a few weeks- she would go to the fridge for a treat and hold her paw up and how could I say no. Last year my father-in-law came to let her out and left us a note that all went well but he thought that maybe she hurt her paw as apparently she kept looking at him and or running to the fridge and holding her paw up! We had to explain to him that was just sympathy paw as we have come to call it...LOL
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Post by catstina on Jan 18, 2011 21:13:12 GMT -5
When I was teaching my mom's lab to speak she kept trying to shake hands and roll over. I think when they don't know what you want they just try everything to get that treat!
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Post by pitbullpassion on Jan 18, 2011 21:50:21 GMT -5
Gang, need some help. So when I'm working with Jackie with treats, we'll go through some things she knows, and then i'll take some pauses. I'll ask her for nothing , and she'll go through her repertoire of everything thing she knows to try to get a treat from me. Is this normal? does it indicate anything good or bad with how i'm progressing with her? thanks! Yes that is normal, and all smart dogs do that. Eventually she will offer the 'new' behavior that you are trying to teach, and they key is to "click" or "mark" it as soon as you see it! |
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 19, 2011 6:57:57 GMT -5
Yes, Yes, Yes. I had this with Rocky and still do. Had to advance the training. It will take me a bit to find example of what I moved on to when ROcky got bored with school. Now that he is 5 I kind of took a break from it. But I want to get back to it as he has lots of fun.
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 19, 2011 7:06:10 GMT -5
Below is an example of fun training with a smart dog. I have a full article from Clean Run Magazine my dad sent me. I will see if the file is on my old computer. I do have hard copies but it is possible that the file was on my really old computer. I have been thinking of making some videos of Rocky doing tricks and basics. Since we are having such horrible weather and I am staying home I might get a chance to video the game below. Training as a Mind Exercise # Training games can help your dog exercise mentally. Instead of focusing on simple obedience, train behaviors that require the dog to make intelligent choices in order to get a reward. For example, try the training game "101 Things to Do with A Box." Your dog will need to understand clicker training already in order to play this game. If he/she doesn't, start by introducing the clicker and training some simple behaviors using it. If the dog is already clicker-savvy, you can jump right into the game. Get a box, preferably a fairly large one, and set it on the floor. Sit nearby with a clicker and treats. If your dog takes notice of the box in any way, click and give a treat. Any interaction with the box should earn a small treat. Give a big reward and lots of praise if the dog thinks of something particularly interesting to do with the box, like climbing into it or pushing it along the floor. Once the dog understands that interacting with the box earns a reward, try clicking interaction with the box, but not clicking the same two actions twice in a row. Your dog will learn that it must do something different with the box each time it wants a reward. This can lead to some really innovative behaviors. You can use the same basic steps to teach your dog to interact with various household objects. Any training game that requires the dog to make choices and learn a set of rules will be good mental exercise. You can try training scent discrimination (the dog must pick the object with your scent from a group of similar objects) or object differentiation (the dog learns the names of several objects). Another fun training game involves clicking and rewarding whatever the dog does and then clicking and rewarding the next behavior only if it is different from the first. Like the advanced version of the box game, this encourages creativity from the dog. Read more: Mind Exercises for Dogs | eHow.com www.ehow.com/way_5184539_mind-exercises-dogs.html#ixzz1BTwVfHTv |
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Post by marc on Jan 19, 2011 15:18:15 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for all the input. Providing some comments below on things that people asked and kind of where i'm at with her.
I am clicker training and rewarding with food(varying levels of goodness of the food depending on what we're doing).
When she offered all she knows, i wasn't really asking for anything, was moving to a different room.
Overall, she gets SUPER excited when we do work together.
She seems pretty smart b/c some things she learns REALLY quickly. For instance, i taught her to touch her nose to my fist so i can get her to touch things eventually that she might be a little apprehensive of...and also b/c i dont like the paws coming off the ground for paw/high-five.
From an overall training progression, I know she knows the commands, it is just at times she listens kind of when she wants to. (part of the reason could be its been so dang cold, that working outside and in different places sucks!). I didn't want to add new things b/c i thought maybe i needed to work more on what she has already been taught.
We're starting next week in a group class that goes for like 8 weeks. I hope she's ready for that, but if not we'll work through it.
PS... honeymoon is certainly over and she's into i'm getting over being new, now what can i do around here...
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Post by marc on Jan 19, 2011 15:20:08 GMT -5
Agree with everyone...she is a smarty pants! Vary the training and teach her some new stuff. About three years ago Harley broke a few toes...she had a run in with a tree while chasing a squirrel in the backyard-this led her to be in a bootie for a few weeks- she would go to the fridge for a treat and hold her paw up and how could I say no. Last year my father-in-law came to let her out and left us a note that all went well but he thought that maybe she hurt her paw as apparently she kept looking at him and or running to the fridge and holding her paw up! We had to explain to him that was just sympathy paw as we have come to call it...LOL When i lived with my Grandmom, she taught Brandy how to fake pee, b/c every time she came back in, she got a cookie. |
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Post by suziriot on Jan 19, 2011 16:38:48 GMT -5
When i lived with my Grandmom, she taught Brandy how to fake pee, b/c every time she came back in, she got a cookie.  LMAO!!! |
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 19, 2011 16:55:28 GMT -5
Agree with everyone...she is a smarty pants! Vary the training and teach her some new stuff. About three years ago Harley broke a few toes...she had a run in with a tree while chasing a squirrel in the backyard-this led her to be in a bootie for a few weeks- she would go to the fridge for a treat and hold her paw up and how could I say no. Last year my father-in-law came to let her out and left us a note that all went well but he thought that maybe she hurt her paw as apparently she kept looking at him and or running to the fridge and holding her paw up! We had to explain to him that was just sympathy paw as we have come to call it...LOL When i lived with my Grandmom, she taught Brandy how to fake pee, b/c every time she came back in, she got a cookie. Ha Ha Yeah Rocky plays the fake i got to pee game. Does not really want to go out but thinks if he just goes out on the deck turns around comes back in he will get a cookie. But picturing a dog actually pretending to pee for a cookie is Hilarious. |
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Post by marc on Jan 19, 2011 17:55:33 GMT -5
so she actually would go out in the back yard 3 ft off of the concrete, and squat. never got close enuff to see if it was real or not.
btw.. she knew what "go pee" meant...so if we were traveling in car, i'd tell her that and she'd go.
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Post by Dave on Jan 19, 2011 21:49:15 GMT -5
My friend took a new puppy home a few months ago and taught him the bell on the doorknob trick to go out. He's seven months old and rings the bell every ten minutes. Oy.
I teach all my dogs "go pee", and "hurry up" for the other. Works like a charm when I go to the vets and they need a sample. The techs are all very impressed!
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Post by shay19 on Jan 20, 2011 2:09:33 GMT -5
Bruiser does this all the time, I never really thought of him as a "smart" dog but perhaps he is?
He does the exact same thing, gets excited when clicker comes out, offers all behavior without commands, etc.
I had to try something totally different with him seeing as I don't have money for training classes, is started with me trying to teach him not to jump (yeah, a year old and we STILL haven't mastered this yet) so I had my back turned to him (I could see him in my stereo that sits on the ground as well as my tv without giving him eye contact) and told him to sit. He did it so we moved on, going to all the tricks he already knew just without eye contact. Then we moved on to no hand signals.
He can now do his basic commands and a few tricks with me standing in front of him w/o facing him.
I like the idea with the box games CA, going to have to give that a try!
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 20, 2011 7:22:20 GMT -5
Box game is fun. as soon as I have time to video I will post.
I also had taught Rocky to ring a bell as a young pup. He is 5 years old now and if I have company over he rings the bell just to go out and come back and get a treat. He is a complete attention getter when company comes over. Drives me nuts but they love it.
Let me tell you when I took Rocky to a class called everyday behaviors and another class on tricks, He would pick things up so fast and be so intense that the trainer who does search and rescue and agility etc owns border collie swore that Rocky must be a pit bull border collie mix. She could not believe his focus and she could see his brain wanting to work. She said he had more desire to work than her border collie. Difference is he only wants to be paid in food. Not interested in being paid with tug or ball. For Rocky its all about how much do I get paid for this job. LOL
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Post by marc on Jan 20, 2011 8:41:45 GMT -5
Difference is he only wants to be paid in food. Not interested in being paid with tug or ball. For Rocky its all about how much do I get paid for this job. LOL Interesting. Jackie would give up a dead chicken or a tennis ball. problem is, once it comes out, i can't get her attention back(yet). Tug i would love to teach her, but not sure how yet...since she doesn't know release/drop. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 20, 2011 9:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by qball80 on Feb 1, 2011 16:36:19 GMT -5
Agree with everyone...she is a smarty pants! Vary the training and teach her some new stuff. About three years ago Harley broke a few toes...she had a run in with a tree while chasing a squirrel in the backyard-this led her to be in a bootie for a few weeks- she would go to the fridge for a treat and hold her paw up and how could I say no. Last year my father-in-law came to let her out and left us a note that all went well but he thought that maybe she hurt her paw as apparently she kept looking at him and or running to the fridge and holding her paw up! We had to explain to him that was just sympathy paw as we have come to call it...LOL When i lived with my Grandmom, she taught Brandy how to fake pee, b/c every time she came back in, she got a cookie. Kai has been doing this trick, cocking his leg then running in & sitting front of me or Mrs G with a good boy look saying treat NO...Sooooooooo funny Amazing how fast thy learn to trick you for treats. Keep up with the training & as the others have said vary it to through her off balance. Very clever girl....lol |
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