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Post by Dave on Jan 26, 2011 12:17:11 GMT -5
(And Sedona is still available for adoption, Dave! ) I can't. Rocky is a handful, and I have no place to separate her right now. She is such a pretty girl, though. And just from what you've posted and the short vids of her, she's EXACTLY the type of dog I like. Oh well...
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Post by adoptapitbull on Jan 26, 2011 12:22:18 GMT -5
Having no clue where Snorts came from, do you think his stature and overall tenacity is indicative of a gamebred dog? I see similarities between him and Cappy, both having great personalities and goofy tendencies, but Snorts is a different kind of dog...maybe "driven" being the word?
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 26, 2011 12:34:47 GMT -5
(And Sedona is still available for adoption, Dave! ) I can't. Rocky is a handful, and I have no place to separate her right now. She is such a pretty girl, though. And just from what you've posted and the short vids of her, she's EXACTLY the type of dog I like. Oh well... I knowww, I'm just teasing. I'd love so much for someone I know to adopt her vs a random applicant though, ya know?
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 26, 2011 12:35:48 GMT -5
Having no clue where Snorts came from, do you think his stature and overall tenacity is indicative of a gamebred dog? I see similarities between him and Cappy, both having great personalities and goofy tendencies, but Snorts is a different kind of dog...maybe "driven" being the word? The breed is drivey in general, gamebred or not. Snorts doesn't strike me as gamebred in terms of looks, no.
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Post by adoptapitbull on Jan 26, 2011 12:39:07 GMT -5
I suppose I've just got two different ends of the spectrum in that case. And we're still not fully sold on Cappy being all dog anyway. We think he's part alien.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 26, 2011 13:45:31 GMT -5
I suppose I've just got two different ends of the spectrum in that case. And we're still not fully sold on Cappy being all dog anyway. We think he's part alien. Cappy is definitely unique LOL
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Post by michele5611 on Jan 26, 2011 13:57:43 GMT -5
I may get my chance one day. "But not this day." (Any LOTR fans there? ) ME ME ME!!! Ditto!!
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Post by catstina on Jan 26, 2011 14:00:17 GMT -5
Me too! We've been thinking of taking a day to just stay in and watch the whole trilogy, but haven't had the perfect day yet.
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Post by michele5611 on Jan 26, 2011 14:02:31 GMT -5
^maybe if you have a snow day soon...wink wink....you can watch them!
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Post by Dave on Jan 26, 2011 14:29:46 GMT -5
Snow day is the PERFECT time to drag them out. I've done it many times. I sure got my money's worth out of my disks. Yeah, I'm a LOTR geek.
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Post by catstina on Jan 26, 2011 14:37:51 GMT -5
I haven't seen the first one in years, the second was my favorite so that disc is pretty warn out!
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Post by pittilove29 on Jan 26, 2011 15:43:44 GMT -5
I've seen game bred APBTs and an owner that can't handle them first hand. He was trying to get them CGC certified. They were so DA he couldn't get them to focus on him and he had little control over them, so he was asked to leave.
I love them and can admire them from afar, but I could not own one. I am a multiple dog owner, I like cats and other small, furry animals. I would be able to crate and rotate, but it would make me kinda sad. I would also have very little time to work my dog which is something they greatly need.
Heck! I believe Keona has some herding dog in her and her drive was almost too much for me when she was a puppy. Thankfully obedience training and more exercise helped to smooth that out.
It's ridiculous how many people on the internet can jump to conclusions and accuse you of horrible things. I tend to not share much for that reason. After about a year on this forum I can say it's got some awesome people and nobody is in danger of being accused of doing something horrible. We only attract the best people. :-)
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Post by michele5611 on Jan 26, 2011 15:53:29 GMT -5
Brook you bring up some excellent points! The casual pit bull owner is not equiped in my opinion to handle a true gamebred dog. Heck a lot of pit bull owners are not able to deal with dog sensitivity in general or subscribe to it is all how you raise them discounting history all together.
Harley is not game bred but she is true to the breed standard- case in point she is dog sensitive. It is challenging to own her at times but I appreciate the breed for what it is and manage her accordingly.
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Post by emilys on Jan 26, 2011 16:02:45 GMT -5
well, I'm going to go a little unconventional about the whole "game(bred) dog=uncontrollable dog-aggression" thing. I really don't think there's a strong correlation, especially considering what we now know about the fear-basis for most aggression. And we certainly know from our history that the dogmen didn't necessarily value a dog that was over-the-top aggressive outside of the pit... that behavior was a waste of energy. Many (supposedly) of the best fighting dogs were indifferent to non-challenging dogs outside of the pit. As far as behavior at ADBA shows, where handlers allow/encourage their dogs to act-out at other dogs, that means NOTHING about any true "gameness". I believe the AKC/UKC show people never wanted their ASTs/APBTs to "spar" in the conformation ring, unlike other terriers, because that kind of behavior wasn't desirable (and not just because it related to dogfighting heritage).
A dog is hard to handle/dog aggressive for a whole variety of reasons, including its pedigree. The term "gamebred" is pretty meaningless today anyway; the breeding of a dog has only a certain relationship to its behavior... which is why very very few APBTs really were truly "game" however "gamebred" they might have been. The only correct definition of "gamebred" is "bred from 2 proven game dogs"... and almost no one has such a dog.
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Post by michele5611 on Jan 26, 2011 16:11:03 GMT -5
Good point Em and very true... thanks for posting that!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 26, 2011 16:16:50 GMT -5
Yeah the non-gamebred dogs have always been the craziest, IME.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 26, 2011 16:18:50 GMT -5
The only correct definition of "gamebred" is "bred from 2 proven game dogs"... and almost no one has such a dog. I think that's a little too stringent of a definition of gamebred.
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Post by pittilove29 on Jan 26, 2011 16:22:53 GMT -5
I wasn't implying they were game bred because they were out of control DA. They were out of control DA because their owner couldn't handle them. I know for a fact they were game bred because I know who the breeder is. If you go off of old standards on game testing then no, you cannot call most of the dogs game since the testing is illegal now. I, and other people (including breeders), go off of their looks and some personalities when gauging whether they're game bred or not.
I would also like to point out that the breeder of said dogs shows her personal dogs at ADBA shows and she said she has been thanked by judges numerous times for not letting them act out in the ring. One judge even went on to say that if you're going to let your dog act out in the ring then don't be mad you didn't place. I think a lot of owners of these ADBA registered dogs think letting them act out is something the judges look for. It's called conformation for a reason and you really can't tell a dog's true conformation if you can't get it to stand still.
I'm not a pro by any means, but I do know a little about APBTs.
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Post by emilys on Jan 26, 2011 17:01:22 GMT -5
The only correct definition of "gamebred" is "bred from 2 proven game dogs"... and almost no one has such a dog. I think that's a little too stringent of a definition of gamebred. I disagree I call the others "gamebred type dogs".
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Post by emilys on Jan 26, 2011 17:17:38 GMT -5
I wasn't implying they were game bred because they were out of control DA. They were out of control DA because their owner couldn't handle them. well yes! a dog is out of control if it can't be controlled (handled) ! by definition. well, using my definition (which btw, is not mine; it's what the dogmen cultboys of APBT-L always insisted on: gamebred only means dogs whose parents were proven game), that would mean you know a breeder who is a dogfighter, which I'm sure is not true. ADBA breeders are always accused of being, or supporting dogfighters. It's not true.. but it IS true that the ADBA has never forthrightly condemned dogfighting. Maybe it's changed.. when I was a member, the Gazette was full of dogfighting accounts, "for historic interest only". It seems we have a tendency to call the small terrier-influenced dogs "gamebred". But that's not historically accurate if you look at the photos of old time fighting dogs.. of course they weren't grotestquely bullyish, but they were plenty square, not skinny. They didn't look like most of the ADBA dogs I see either. (and certainly not the paper hung mutts they accept) As for personality, I don't agree with using the term "game" or "gamebred" to describe a high-drive, high-performance, must-work kind of APBT. It may be ok with other terriers, but that term has too close association with dogfighting in the APBT. So I'd prefer some other word
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