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Post by adoptapitbull on Nov 17, 2010 10:39:13 GMT -5
I have a fancy solution...
Let them out individually!
There.....now where's my TV show and fat paycheck?
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 17, 2010 11:03:31 GMT -5
I don't normally post on threads that I have no experience with the subject; I've never seen a CM episode (I don't have premium TV). But I have to say that this speaks volumes... Andrew Luescher, DVM, Ph.D, DACVB Review submitted to National Geographic by (edited) Is it possible that CM exaggerates his methods for the video camera? Another thing about NatGeo in general... most nature journalists and photojournalists set up situations, embellish and "cut and paste" to get their point across or to illustrate a given situation. I would imagine CM does the same thing. The whole show is set up to get dogs to react and aggress and bite and attack. It is a reality show, it is meant to entertain. Problem is, this "entertainment" involves dogs being severely mistreated. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2010 11:09:25 GMT -5
The whole show is set up to get dogs to react and aggress and bite and attack. It is a reality show, it is meant to entertain. Problem is, this "entertainment" involves dogs being severely mistreated. I watched the Shadow clip, the GSD mix or wolf hybrid. I saw that CM kicked the dog to illicit some response that that he wanted and wasn't getting, and I said to myself "did he just KICK that dog?" Yup, he did. I didn't watch to the end, I couldn't. Who could treat a dog like that and call himself a trainer? |
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Post by catstina on Nov 17, 2010 12:03:36 GMT -5
I have a fancy solution... Let them out individually! There.....now where's my TV show and fat paycheck? Brilliant!! |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 17, 2010 12:49:03 GMT -5
The whole show is set up to get dogs to react and aggress and bite and attack. It is a reality show, it is meant to entertain. Problem is, this "entertainment" involves dogs being severely mistreated. I watched the Shadow clip, the GSD mix or wolf hybrid. I saw that CM kicked the dog to illicit some response that that he wanted and wasn't getting, and I said to myself "did he just KICK that dog?" Yup, he did. I didn't watch to the end, I couldn't. Who could treat a dog like that and call himself a trainer? Yeah, that's his patented "it's not a kick" kick. A vet on a training list I am on viewed the clip and it was her opinion by the end of the clip that the dog, laying on the ground with his tongue draped out of his mouth, had just been nearly choked out/asphyxiated. But Millan's explanation was, "See, now he is relaxing". Anyone with eyes could see the dog was gasping for breath and had a blue tongue from having his airways closed off. The idiocy coming from that show just blows my mind - and people are like drones! "I love Cesar! His methods work for me! I have never seen him hurt a dog!!!" It is repetitive, over and over, his followers all say the SAME EXACT THING. These are far and wide people who have NO behavioral degrees, NO trainer certifications, people who are NOT professionals - they listen to a reality TV star over veterinary professionals and behaviorists. What is wrong with this picture?????????????? |
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2010 14:45:41 GMT -5
Okay, so I watched with the sound on this time. I love how he described the dog as it's recovering from nearly passing out as relaxed. I'm pretty relaxed, too after someone nearly chokes the life out of me.
I'm not drinking that koolaid.
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Post by kev on Jul 11, 2011 20:30:31 GMT -5
I agree with alot of these statements.
I also think he has educated and made a large percentage of ignorant dog owners more aware of how dogs think and react to different situations, and that most behavioural problems are down to the owner.
I also think he has helped improve the image of the pitbull more than anyone on a international level.
Daddy is a legend. R.I.P.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 12, 2011 7:06:46 GMT -5
I also think he has helped improve the image of the pitbull more than anyone on a international level. Really? I don't get why people say this. What exactly has he done to help the breed? |
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 12, 2011 7:54:26 GMT -5
I think a lot of people have had no exposure to the breed except for the negative news articles and media reports they saw. When Cesar came along because he had the "platform" to do so with his tv show etc. people got to see him portray pit bulls in a different light...strictly from an exposure point as his training methods are a whole other thing!!!!
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Post by sugar on Jul 12, 2011 8:04:48 GMT -5
I kinda agree that (although I don't agree with his training methods) he did show pitbulls as sweet and loving dogs (most of the "naughty" dogs he had to "rehab" were not even pits).
I agree with Michele that most people (pre-CM) only really saw/heard of pits in a negative way because of attacks on people or stories on dog fights. Once CM came out I did hear people regularly say that they used to be so scared of pitbulls but Daddy is so sweet that maybe they weren't all so bad.
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Post by fureverywhere on Jul 12, 2011 9:29:02 GMT -5
This is a really interesting thread, so many valid points about different philosophies of training. Mary I tend to go with your idea-like with human children, babyproofing and good secure fences and leads... n' having a bond that allows you to sense a potential problem before it happens.
With human kids it's called "caught ya being good"...praise for a good behavior and short quick reprimand for a bad one. Ophie wants to please me, so for something simple like walking out to the truck off leash and hopping in she gets hugs and kisses and what a super dog. Walking at the reservation is tricky sometimes but good practice , it's quiet and she loves the trails.
She's gotten better about other dogs-but they have to be significantly smaller than her. The prey thing I just have to work with- a short pull on the harness and a firm "Let's GO" and she actually will turn away from that tasty looking chipmunk. Hubby says it's because my voice is deeper than his sometimes-probably helps...
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Post by emilys on Jul 12, 2011 9:35:25 GMT -5
I also think he has helped improve the image of the pitbull more than anyone on a international level. Really? I don't get why people say this. What exactly has he done to help the breed? he does speak positively about pit bulls and of course Daddy was extraordinary. OTOH, there was that horrible episodes with the 2 pit bulls he allowed to get into a fight (and one actually attacked Daddy)... |
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Post by catstina on Jul 12, 2011 9:46:21 GMT -5
I remember that one. I felt so bad for poor Daddy.
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Post by emilys on Jul 12, 2011 10:39:36 GMT -5
I remember that one. I felt so bad for poor Daddy. it was completely foreseeable and completely inexcusable. It was the last straw for me IRT Cesar. How could anyone betray a dog like that? |
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 12, 2011 11:11:48 GMT -5
remember it too and remember thinking this is gonna end badly!!!
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Post by sugar on Jul 12, 2011 11:14:58 GMT -5
I have that same feeling when I go to dog parks to watch the pups (when I'm killing time only! Chubs doesn't go). I can always feel myself wringing my hands together whispering "Uh oh...come on someone pay attention!"
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 26, 2011 15:00:20 GMT -5
I remember that one. I felt so bad for poor Daddy. it was completely foreseeable and completely inexcusable. It was the last straw for me IRT Cesar. How could anyone betray a dog like that? The whole show is nothing but dogs set up to fail. Happens in every episode. |
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Post by drewsthepits on Dec 7, 2011 19:34:54 GMT -5
Wow some very informative information. Took a while to get through a bunch of them but was worth it. I especially like Dunbar and I do wish he was the one in the spotlight.
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Post by melonie on Dec 7, 2011 20:41:43 GMT -5
I didn't know who Ceaser was until after I got Winston. Where I live, if you don't have dish/direct tv, you didn't get the channel his show was on. I caught it by accident one night while staying in a hotel in Lincoln. (our cable was finally upgraded this last year)
I was uncomfortable with the way he bullied animals. It intimidated me, and I didn't think it the right way to deal w/ already eff'd up dogs. That said, I did realize that I had to be the one in control of my dogs, not the dogs in control of me. Just like children, you wouldn't let them run amok, but a good parent isn't going to bully them into submission, nor can you beat them into it. Positive reinforcement is the way to go w/ dogs and kidlettes!
I personally find it a weak person who uses bullying, fear, intimidation to get their way. It's time for him to learn new tricks.
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Post by cartemj06 on Dec 7, 2011 22:12:03 GMT -5
Ummm, I stopped reading after the question about what to do with a dog in the "red zone". and I didn't realize there were 7 pages after that so this has taken a long different turn since then.
All in all after the long winded explanation that I cut out so everyone wasn't reading it... I recommend two things. Don't put the dog in that position. Know your dog well enough and Protect him!
If you use Milan's methods long enough you are going to do two things cause mental anguish in dogs and create a bite situation where it didn't need to go that route. Cesar himself has been bitten luckily he hasn't tried to alpha roll the wrong dog yet and gotten mauled. That is honestly the equivalent of going up behind a stranger putting them in a black belt submission hold and asking them if you have their attention. is one instance it is assault in the other its training?
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