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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 18, 2011 10:59:36 GMT -5
I was searching around for stuff on the black and tan coat color in dogs, and found this. Kinda interesting, and I love b/t Pit Bulls. www.haynespitbulls.com/black-tan.html(This is not an endorsement of the breeder; I know nothing about them.) |
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Post by legacy23 on Oct 18, 2011 12:03:25 GMT -5
Wow, that is a very cool color combo. I bet I'd never find one in a shelter though, eh, too bad.
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Post by emilys on Oct 18, 2011 12:14:49 GMT -5
www.healthgene.com/canine-coat-color-testing/The Stafford people at this forum (which I highly recommend) forum.bullbreedsonline.com/index/often discuss the b/t issue, because that pattern is either disallowed or faulted in the SBT. I can't link because it's a private forum you have to join to read. There have been several threads about WHY b/t is not favored (evidently it will "take over" a breed if selected for) and about why b/t is a pattern, not a color. Several champion dogs are "tanpoint" but not b/t and some say the judges were ignorant of the facts of color genetics. I'll dig around and see if I can find the photo of one of these dogs There was an agility champion SBT that was b/t with white. www.flyinsbt.com/machsequoia.htmlAnd there's a current b/t APBT/ast who is competing very successfully in various performance sports: www.lbellestaffords.com/cam.htm
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Post by emilys on Oct 18, 2011 12:21:32 GMT -5
[post from BullBreedsOnline ]Below is a snippet from a brilliant thread started by Sian which I have had permission from her to repost, I feel in the light of remarks made about the latest breed champion and what’s been said about him I thought there would have been more input from readers because for me it raises BIG CONCERNES and I suppose if you read her explanation of the Black & tan and Tan Point markings on the Stafford I wonder now if we need a change in the breed standard regarding the acceptable colours now a tan point marked dog has won a title. Before you all start jumping down my neck I know his colour from the photos I have seen of him could be described as “Fawn” which is an excepted colour but he does display tan point markings. I am not taking anything away from the dog what he’s won or commenting on his construction and movement nor would I as I have not seen him in the flesh. I would just like input from you on here as a precedent has now been set do we need to change the wording in the breed standard regarding “Black and Tan’s “ to either include all “Tan Point Marked dogs “ in the same category making all highly undesirable or allow them and their differing coat colours along with the so-called “Tri coloured “dogs to be shown, knowing these have an additional white spotting marking gene, it’s the TPM gene that is responsible for all of these patterns and its ONLY Black and Tans that are mentioned in the standard, If a dog has a red coat with white feet and chest and a full black mask is this not “Tri coloured” ? Here’s just a final thought , if “ Highly Undesirable” as is written meant “should “never win or be shown” then what about the ear clause that also states “Rose or half pricked, not large or heavy. Full, drop or pricked ears highly undesirable” ( same wording ) should dogs displaying full drop and pricked ears be disqualified from competition? Because lots have been shown and did win prizes, “what is right for one has to be right for the other” Your thoughts please………. Steve Sain wrote: I had a conversation on this very issue with my husband a few days ago, and we almost ended up fighting because I couldn't explain to him, in a way that made sense to him, how a black and tan can be blue and fawn, or brown and liver, or red and fawn, or whatever colours it can come in. So, this picture of the 4 coat varities of the dobermann pinscher will I hope help to make it clearer.  All dobes are tan point marked, but not all are the same colour. This is because whilst they all have 2 copies each of the tan point gene, they also have a variety of different genes which determine their coat colours. It is exactly the same in Stafford’s. Whatever genes a dog inherits regarding its coat colour/s, if it inherits 2 copies of the tan point gene, then the colours will be arranged into the patterns seen above on the dobermanns. As we also have the white spotting/markings gene, a dog can inherit that as well as the 2 b&t genes which is when you get a b&t with a white |
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Post by emilys on Oct 18, 2011 12:23:05 GMT -5
 this dog was discussed on BBO  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 18, 2011 13:21:00 GMT -5
Thank you for posting more on this, Emily. And I think I'll join the bullbreeds forum.  |
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Post by desertdoll on Oct 18, 2011 13:22:54 GMT -5
Awwww so adorable! I love Rotties coloring and I love pit bulls. It's like the best of both worlds!
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Post by maryellen on Oct 18, 2011 16:41:10 GMT -5
most folks think the b/t are mixed with rottie,i have seen a few rescues label the dog rott/terrier mix when its clearly not.
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Post by maryellen on Oct 18, 2011 16:42:03 GMT -5
that staff posted does not look black/tan like the other dogs...
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Post by emilys on Oct 18, 2011 17:13:46 GMT -5
that staff posted does not look black/tan like the other dogs... no and that's part of the issue. As I understand it, B/T is actually a pattern called "tanpoint" not a color. There was quite a bit of discussion about that dog and whether Homan was right. |
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Post by bubsy on Oct 18, 2011 23:45:26 GMT -5
I remember Wildside Kennels having a page about b/t APBTs. I've always liked that color combo...on any dog.
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Post by melonie on Oct 19, 2011 0:02:13 GMT -5
Trying to find the photo of the black and tan female that was in a shelter last year. Of course now I can't find it. She was stunning.
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Post by lovemybully76 on Oct 19, 2011 8:55:38 GMT -5
I love the black/tan color combination. Never seen it before, but it's really pretty!
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Post by sugar on Oct 19, 2011 8:58:59 GMT -5
I could see how people would mistake it for a rottie or rottie mix. Although I've had people comment that Chubby is a "gorgeous looking rottie!" which just confused the heck out of me.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 19, 2011 9:21:18 GMT -5
Also adding to the confusion, the b/t Pit Bulls I've seen tend to be sort of blocky (Rottie-ish).
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Post by suziriot on Oct 19, 2011 9:35:27 GMT -5
Although I've had people comment that Chubby is a "gorgeous looking rottie!" which just confused the heck out of me.  People are dumb. |
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 19, 2011 9:58:52 GMT -5
I could see how people would mistake it for a rottie or rottie mix. Although I've had people comment that Chubby is a "gorgeous looking rottie!" which just confused the heck out of me. You think you're confused??? How about the MULTPLE people who've commented on my gorgeous "Boxer", Luca. ;D |
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Post by catstina on Oct 19, 2011 10:09:03 GMT -5
I could see how people would mistake it for a rottie or rottie mix. Although I've had people comment that Chubby is a "gorgeous looking rottie!" which just confused the heck out of me. You think you're confused??? How about the MULTPLE people who've commented on my gorgeous "Boxer", Luca. ;D I think I have you both beat. Four separate people have asked if Saxon was a Beagle or Beagle mix... |
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Post by melonie on Oct 19, 2011 13:21:47 GMT -5
Winston has been mistaken as a boxer more than once.
Saxon a beagle? seriously?
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Post by sam on Oct 19, 2011 15:33:32 GMT -5
We've had people ask if our 9yr old JRTs were "Pit Bull puppies". They have grey hair on their muzzles! A little common sense would tell you they aren't "puppies" of any breed!!
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