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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 9:01:37 GMT -5
I think he's cute. Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. Yes, as someone who has always done Pit Bull rescue within the context of All Breed/All Mutt rescue, I'm rather fond of mutts, especially Bull Mutts, of which I have adopted and fostered quite a few and gotten to know and place bazoodles more. I understand the need to be clear about terminology and not call them all Pit Bulls. But I have zero problem with breed rescues taking in the occasional "high content" mutt, as they are out there in trouble too, can be fantastic dogs and do pose some of the same challenges, both in terms of what they are and the prejudices faced. I've never had a problem keeping straight the pures vs the high contents vs the maybe a littles while trying to help them all. Not sure why anyone thinks they need to say they're all the same just because they want to help them all. Seems idiotic, but then so much always does ... |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 23, 2011 9:08:26 GMT -5
I think he's cute. Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. Yes, as someone who has always done Pit Bull rescue within the context of All Breed/All Mutt rescue, I'm rather fond of mutts, especially Bull Mutts, of which I have adopted and fostered quite a few and gotten to know and place bazoodles more. I understand the need to be clear about terminology and not call them all Pit Bulls. But I have zero problem with breed rescues taking in the occasional "high content" mutt, as they are out there in trouble too, can be fantastic dogs and do pose some of the same challenges, both in terms of what they are and the prejudices faced. I've never had a problem keeping straight the pures vs the high contents vs the maybe a littles while trying to help them all. Not sure why anyone thinks they need to say they're all the same just because they want to help them all. Seems idiotic, but then so much always does ... Everything you just said! |
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Post by catstina on Nov 23, 2011 9:28:20 GMT -5
I agree that every dog deserves rescue, I just don't understand why every dog has to be called a Pit Bull to be rescued.
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 23, 2011 9:33:06 GMT -5
What specifically bothers me is "pit bull rescue" pulling a lot of bull breed mix type dogs and labeling them "pit bulls" and then saying, "Well who cares if they aren't, they would be subject to the same prejudice!" So why not just say you do rescue of dogs that may be targeted by BSL? Don't call what you do "pit bull rescue" when you are pulling mostly NON Pit Bulls. Can't stand that.
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Post by fureverywhere on Nov 23, 2011 9:44:35 GMT -5
Interesting, I looked at this doggie objectively before reading any comments. Just from the pic, the ears and coloring-that is a scary butt dawg. And it is sad that he photographs like that when in person he might do the whole tail wags the dog thing and be a real lover...who knows
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Post by emilys on Nov 23, 2011 9:57:26 GMT -5
I think he's cute. Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. ??? ??? ??? ??? really? I guess I have to say WTF!  I don't find him the slightest bit cute. Especially when I think of the physical ailments he has, or will have. I don't find American GSDs with their horrible hocks cute, either. Why don't the English bulldog people take on the rescue of these "Ambullies".. they've got a heck of a lot more bulldog than APBT in them? They're riding the coattails of pit bull rescue, and I don't like that. |
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 23, 2011 10:04:52 GMT -5
Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. I second that! When we lived in Cali, I saw all Am. Bullys or big mastiffy looking mixes. Kris is a Cali boy- born n raised so I had to teach him a thing or two about Pit Bulls, he was all kinds of confused.  I straightened him out |
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Post by Dave on Nov 23, 2011 10:06:38 GMT -5
They're riding the coattails of pit bull rescue, and I don't like that. I'm beginning to think there is no such thing as Pit Bull rescue anymore...  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 23, 2011 10:14:53 GMT -5
I think he's cute. Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. ??? ??? ??? ??? really? I guess I have to say WTF! I don't find him the slightest bit cute. Especially when I think of the physical ailments he has, or will have. I don't find American GSDs with their horrible hocks cute, either. Why don't the English bulldog people take on the rescue of these "Ambullies".. they've got a heck of a lot more bulldog than APBT in them? They're riding the coattails of pit bull rescue, and I don't like that. I like a lot of breeds that have been overbred and aren't necessarily something I would support in terms of buying one from a breeder. I thought my AmBred GSD was beautiful. I love Neos (look how overdone that breed has become!) I love Bulldogs (would never, ever buy one from a breeder - I think the breeding of Bulldogs is a complete shame). I do NOT support AmBully breeding at ALL obviously because to me this is highly unethical breeding. But I see some AmBullies that I think are cute (the less overdone ones). And pretty much anything that is merle I'm going to automatically love. It's one of my very favorite colors in dogs. |
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Post by catstina on Nov 23, 2011 10:24:29 GMT -5
I just think they're creepy looking. I wouldn't want to wake up in the morning and see that staring at me. It's like the Furby, they were designed to be cute, but they are creepy as Hell!!
I do like the Merle coloring, though.
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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 10:36:07 GMT -5
I think he's cute. Sure, a mix. There are tons of "bully style" Pit Bulls/Mixes in Cali, they are overflowing with them. ??? ??? ??? ??? really? I guess I have to say WTF! I don't find him the slightest bit cute. Especially when I think of the physical ailments he has, or will have. I don't find American GSDs with their horrible hocks cute, either. Why don't the English bulldog people take on the rescue of these "Ambullies".. they've got a heck of a lot more bulldog than APBT in them? They're riding the coattails of pit bull rescue, and I don't like that. Well, there are tons of shelters doing all breed/all mutt and therefore "all bully" rescue and they aren't riding anyone's "coat tails", least of all those of Pit Bull rescue, who tend to place at best a tiny minority of rehomed Pit Bulls. And I guess I don't get your angle on "cute". I didn't hear anyone on this board or on the facebook page say "oh, he's so cute that we should breed more!". They said he's cute and deserves rescue. And they are right. |
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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 11:06:24 GMT -5
Just to give everyone an idea of my own perspective, the first place I worked with Pit Bulls was the Animal Orphanage in Voorhees NJ. I sent a few dogs to Spindletop from there, but the main "rescue" at the time was another shelter, specifically Steve Dash's Humane Society of Atlantic County. They took quite a few, but nowhere near as many as AO placed themselves. And AO of course also placed a lot of Bull Mutts.
Then I became dog manager at Animal Adoption Center. I sent quite a few Pit Bulls to Leah at Spindletop from there in exchange for dogs of other breeds and mixes. (We'd take in two for every one we sent.) Otherwise, we were a no kill and almost no rescue ever took animals from us. Meanwhile, we adopted out quite a few Pit Bulls and Bull Mutts, far more than we sent to rescue.
I have hard stats from BCAS which go back to just a few months before I started. I started in March of 2006. Stats go back to October of 2005. Since that time, we have adopted out exactly 500 Pit Bulls and 219 Bull Mutts. Rescue has taken 113 Pit Bulls and 30 Bull Mutts. Rescues obviously have a huge and hugely important role to play. But I've always been a shelter guy, because that's where the bulk of the action is. So I am an all breed/all mutt guy both by vocation and avocation. I just also understand the importance of breed knowledge, but have also always felt that that includes COMPONENT breed knowledge, when possible (ie when component breeds are known or recognizable).
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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 11:08:06 GMT -5
I agree that every dog deserves rescue, I just don't understand why every dog has to be called a Pit Bull to be rescued. They don't need to be called Pit Bulls and many, many shouldn't be, as all that does is compound the already excessively large confusion. |
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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 11:22:41 GMT -5
What specifically bothers me is "pit bull rescue" pulling a lot of bull breed mix type dogs and labeling them "pit bulls" and then saying, "Well who cares if they aren't, they would be subject to the same prejudice!" So why not just say you do rescue of dogs that may be targeted by BSL? Don't call what you do "pit bull rescue" when you are pulling mostly NON Pit Bulls. Can't stand that. Yes, something obviously went way off the skids in Pit Bull rescue during the years that internet rescue and all the concomitant strife and  was off my radar. And as can be seen be the stats I just posted, it's not as though the "presumably pures" aren't out there in huge numbers. (I of course don't vouch 100% for the breakdown, but it does give a good rough idea.) If someone wanted to do Affenpinscher rescue and didn't want to be bored out of their mind waiting for something to do, they'd probably have to go after anything and everything that even might be even just part Affenpinscher. But there ain't no lack of work in Pit Bull rescue! But the flip side of this is that Bull Mutts are quite common and in need of help largely as a consequence of the Pit Bull population explosion. So it really is all one big problem and with a little bit of sense, we should be able to figure out a way to all get along. Unfortunately, sense can be as rare as in certain parts of the rescue world as, well, Affenpinschers. ;D Oh, one further note: Most of the Pit Bulls and Bull Mutts that have gone to rescue have gone to all breed/all mutt rescues. There are three rescues and two fairly local private shelters (including my own old Animal Adoption Center) that have jointly taken a huge majority of the dogs we have placed with rescue, despite the fact that we have placed at least one dog with 80+ rescues. All of these rescues and shelters have all breed/all mutt missions. |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 23, 2011 11:41:18 GMT -5
The ABKC standard says all colors are acceptable. Sooooooooo in MY mind that is an admission that these dogs are MORE than just the "APBT x AST" cross that Dave Wilson claims.
I mean, not that this will come as a surprise to anyone, but I'm just sayin'.
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Post by johnr on Nov 23, 2011 11:49:10 GMT -5
The ABKC standard says all colors are acceptable. Sooooooooo in MY mind that is an admission that these dogs are MORE than just the "APBT x AST" cross that Dave Wilson claims. I mean, not that this will come as a surprise to anyone, but I'm just sayin'. I know people have been cooking up "Catahoula Bulldogs" for a long time. I used to get Dog World way back in the 90s and there was someone who advertised exactly this mix regularly. I'm not sure whether he crossed with just Pit Bulls or Just American Bulldogs or used both, it was clearl that he crossed at least one with Catahoulas. And once you add Catahoula to the already wide range of AmStaff and Pit Bull colors, there's isn't much you won't eventually see, I would guess! |
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