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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 20, 2012 19:27:37 GMT -5
Ok anyone who knows anything about genes and breeding can two red and.white dogs create a tri offspring?
This is regarding Cocker Spaniels btw.
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Post by catstina on Nov 20, 2012 20:04:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised! Saxon's dad is blue fawn and his mom is red and white pied, but he had a black and tan sibling.
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 15:58:57 GMT -5
Hmmm. I wish I knew a for sure answer! lol
There is a massive debate going on with Bellas breeder and its making me question if I got screwed over or if the other breeder (On the other side of the debate) Is screwy.
Nothing worse than being lied to or deceived. AKC is even involved in this mess.
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Post by maryellen on Nov 21, 2012 17:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 21, 2012 17:10:14 GMT -5
Are you talking about particolor dogs?
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 17:54:46 GMT -5
Yes, Particolored Cockers.
So what Maryellens links are saying is that a sire and dam that are red and white can indeed put out Tri colored Pups right?! Did I read that correctly??
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 21, 2012 17:58:24 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 18:19:34 GMT -5
So, if that is true than Bella may have a different sire than what I was told.
Which isnt a HUGE deal since I am not breeding her or showing her but it is a big deal to me because the male that her sire was SUPPOSED to be had been health tested and screened.
The male that could potentially be her father has not been. This was REALLY important to me becuase I lost my previous Cocker way to early due to health issues.
Gahhh!!!!!!!!!! Im going to do more researching.....
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 18:20:52 GMT -5
A lady bought Bellas brother for show and to breed and spend thousands on him and now she doesnt even know if the father is who they are saying. Its a mess.......
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Post by maryellen on Nov 21, 2012 18:22:24 GMT -5
couldnt you do a DNA test with Bellas sire and mother to see if the sire is really her father?
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 18:26:48 GMT -5
Thats the catch!!
Tracy (Bellas Breeder) says that the sire and dam are DNA Tested and AKC has the info on file
South GA Cockers (The ones with Bellas Brother) says she refuses to DNA Test.
Could I contact AKC myself???
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Post by maryellen on Nov 21, 2012 19:28:53 GMT -5
you could if you have the akc papers on bella and put them in your name, as long as bellas akc papers were registered to you there shouldnt be a problem .l but if this tracy says the akc has the dna on file why cant she get it herself and give it to you?
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 22:39:12 GMT -5
Hmmm Never really thought of that. I will ask her.
Something is a little fishy.
Maverick is who I was originally told is Bellas dad. He is a Champion in the show ring, been health tested and screened (All with above average results) and he has an amazing temperment.
Pay Day is the other 'potential' father. Who has not been health tested, never got very far in the show ring and whose bloodlines arent the best, his temperment is still good tho at least.
There is a post that Tracy posted way back that said that she put Pay Day in with Lily (Bellas mom) and they bred then she put Maverick in just in case she didnt take to Pay Day and she didnt know if they bred or not. Then once the puppies were born she said that due to the fact that all of the puppies are Tri colored, the father had to be Maverick. (He is a Tri, Pay Day is a Red and White)
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Post by catstina on Nov 21, 2012 22:49:50 GMT -5
Oi! What a mess!!
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 21, 2012 22:57:15 GMT -5
Ok. WELCOME TO THE MAURY SHOW!!!! TODAYS GUEST IS .....................LILY!!! NOW LETS FIGURE OUT, WHO. IS. THE. FATHER?!?! (lmao, this is what goes thru my head everytime Tracy or South GA Cockers emails me) INTRODUCING TO YOU LILY!!! AKA SCANDILOUS aka the mother (This we know for a fact)..This is a horrible pic of her FYI AND ...............HERE ARE THE MEN. ONE IS THE FATHER. ONE IS NOT. WHO. IS. THE. FATHER?! INRODUCING MAVERICK!! Maverick with a pup from a past litter AND HERE COMES................ PAY DAY!!!!!!!!!!! SO................WHO IS THE FATHER???? (drum roll please)...................................................................................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. I dont know! lol
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Post by maryellen on Nov 22, 2012 7:39:51 GMT -5
its very possible both males are fathers to the certain pups, some folks willl do breedings like this then dna the pups to see who is the father. its possible one father is to some pups and the other to the other pups.....
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Post by AmyJo27 on Nov 22, 2012 9:07:32 GMT -5
That's possible???? Hmmm.....This just got more challenging!!!!
How would I go about finding out whose Bellas sire is?? Getting her DNA tested ?
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Post by maryellen on Nov 22, 2012 16:13:50 GMT -5
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