Post by catstina on Apr 29, 2013 22:17:24 GMT -5
My replies are in blue. Why? Because. That's why.
I think that's why I am so done with trying to talk about breed and just moved onto talking dogs. Its easier than getting people all pissed off about semantics when the real issue is responsible dog ownership. Ok, cool! So now stop misusing the term Pit Bull and you won't have to worry about pissing people off anymore!
The point is there are MANY ways for people to interpreted the same history. Hope that clears it up a little bit for you as well Remember when I said you should have a look on the forum and read some things? I reiterate that now. Please stop assuming you know everything there is to know, because you don't.
You are partially correct. The AmStaff was created for conformation shows in the AKC because the AKC would not allow a dog just bred for fighting to be shown. You'll note that I mentioned trying to distance the breed from dog fighting in my original response. Please also note that I mentioned that APBTs were not "just" used for fighting because they weren't. The APBT breeders could convince the AKC there was a standard and started breeding dogs based off looks, not for the purpose of fighting which is what the APBT was initially created for. After selectively breeding to a standard the American Staffordshire was allowed to be shown in the AKC. The original AKC standard for the Staffordshire Terrier was based off of a Colby dog which is a known fighting line of APBTs. I don't know where you got the idea that they selectively bred away from the APBT standard to create the Staffordshire Terrier standard. AKC AmStaff's were NOT fought, WRONG! I'll have to go do some digging, but some AmStaffs were, in fact, used for fighting. they are the pretty show pups in the pit bull world. They are more regarded as closer to the staffy bull terrier than the APBT, as you said, I NEVER said that and never would say that. but I reasearched and found it was more in the 30's when the name changed to include American. I don't know where you got that information, but the name was changed to include "American" in the 70's, not 30's, the breed was recognized by the AKC in the 30's. To some, even current UKC and ABDA APBT's should not be considered a pit bull to some only a [] dog can be given the breed pit bull. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking, but I do respect how a dog is bred changing from function to form changes the breed of dog. They evolved into being bred just for their looks and did not get points based on wins or losses, they got points for conforming to a standard like current day shows. Which is why I feel they are not the same breed. Once you change WHY the dog is being bred it changes what breed the dog is Most APBT breeders don't breed for fighting these days, either. So, what is your point here? because your not breeding for the same traits ie pain tolerance, aggression, bite hold you are breeding for slight slope on the withers or 18 inches tall. Shoot you ever talked to some staffy bull owners? Some get SOO pissed when people say they have a pit bull. That is because a Staffordshire Bull Terrier is NOT a Pit Bull. They are completely separate breeds. The owners don't get pissed, they get annoyed because it's annoying as hell that no one knows that the Stafford is a separate breed from the Pit Bull (and just to clear things up, because I can't tell if you know this from your comments, the American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier are two completely separate breeds, as well). I'm sure Aussie owners get annoyed that everyone thinks their dogs are Border Collies and I'm sure it gets on Akita owner's nerves when people mistake their dogs for Huskies, too! It's annoying to hear people ask if and sometimes even tell you that your dog is a breed that he isn't.
I think that's why I am so done with trying to talk about breed and just moved onto talking dogs. Its easier than getting people all pissed off about semantics when the real issue is responsible dog ownership. Ok, cool! So now stop misusing the term Pit Bull and you won't have to worry about pissing people off anymore!
The point is there are MANY ways for people to interpreted the same history. Hope that clears it up a little bit for you as well Remember when I said you should have a look on the forum and read some things? I reiterate that now. Please stop assuming you know everything there is to know, because you don't.