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Post by Chloe on May 11, 2009 17:51:16 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone has, has had or knows of any adult male pitties that were neutered young (between 4-8 mos). I'm at a crossroads on whether or not to neuter our pittie Smash before he's 1yr. of age. Am curious if anyone can tell me if it will affect his size as an adult?
Thanks for reading!
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Post by erpitrescue on May 11, 2009 18:47:01 GMT -5
My personal experience is with my own dog. I had my rescued puppy Monty neutered at 4 months, and he had a rough start in life. When we first got him, he was tiny, miserable, sick hairless rat with multiple vitamin defficiencies. He now weighs 80lbs of muscle at two and a half. I'm not sure how to post pics in here, so I'm throwing in a link to my MS page. viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=46905972&albumID=477007&imageID=3225842Clinically, after eight years of praticing in clinics, and neutering at the standard 6 months age group, I've seen no significant difference in the size of neutered or uneneutered dogs of any breed.
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Post by maryellen on May 11, 2009 19:19:27 GMT -5
my male was neutered at 5 months old .he is the runt of his litter and is around 62 lbs, his siblings are all over 70 and they were all speutered early at the rescue to.
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Post by bamapitbullmom on May 11, 2009 20:03:53 GMT -5
Cajun and Jasmine are littermates and a bit over 3.5 years old. Both were altered at 7 weeks old. There have been some studies which have been done regarding the biological effects on the growth plates due to lack of hormones in pediatric alters. The small studies indicate that generally it will produce a slightly leggier or taller dog. Basically because hormonal production is affected, the growth plates aren't "told" to close when they normally would. I've done some research on early alters and have seen many opinions and findings. Most of the resistance I see is from breeders and enthusiasts of working dogs, conformation and sporting dogs (one notable experience I had was on a Beauceron group list where many of the enthusiasts completely did not agree with pediatric alters). Personally, I feel that early alters are much easier on the animals, lessens likelihood of complications other than normal risk of anesthesia (especially when lighter anesthesia is used) and recovery time is much, more shorter. All of the puppies I've been involved with who were altered as early as 6 and 7 weeks were ready to play as soon as they woke up. My male did not begin to lift his leg or show interest in marking until after 2 years and doesn't do so all the time (a pro IMO). Physical "appearance" is another pro to me. Cajun doesn't have the gross male doggie habits, if you know what I mean. My female has no issues with incontinence and if she does later, that will be okay with me. Our previous APBT was spayed at 6 months and developed problematic incontenence in her later years so I don't think there's a guarantee either way which is arguable. www.columbusdogconnection.com/Documents/PedSNVetJournals%5B1%5D.pdf
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Post by bamapitbullmom on May 11, 2009 20:05:55 GMT -5
Forgot to mention, Cajun was the runt of the litter (the rest of the puppies were females) and he is well proportioned and right under 60 lbs.
I feel there are many factors affecting your puppies growth, namely diet.
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Post by Chloe on May 12, 2009 0:02:19 GMT -5
Thanks so much everyone, this info is exactly what I was looking for!
We will be going ahead with Smash's app. tomorrow to get fixed!
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Post by bamapitbullmom on May 12, 2009 1:54:51 GMT -5
How old is he now?
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Post by Chloe on May 12, 2009 10:58:56 GMT -5
The shelter told me he was between 3-4 mos old but I'm sure he's older because he has all his adult teeth, Im guessing around 6-7 mos. Is it the k-9's that come in last or the molars? And at what age?
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Post by erpitrescue on May 12, 2009 11:25:30 GMT -5
Birth None
3-4 weeks Deciduous teeth coming in 6 weeks All deciduous teeth are in 3-5 months Permanent incisors coming in 5-6 months Permanent canines start to erupt and by end of 6 months are in 6-7 Last molar in lower jaw (M3) is in
After one year of age, chewing habits, mouth health, and mouth structure make it much more difficult to judge a dog's age by his or her teeth. As a guide:
1 1/2 years Cusp worn off lower middle incisor 2 1/2 Cusp worn off lower incisor next to middle 3 1/2 Cusp worn off upper middle incisor 4 1/2 Cusp worn off upper incisor next to middle 5 1/2 Wear on last incisors 6 1/2 Canines becoming blunt
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Post by bamapitbullmom on May 12, 2009 13:57:07 GMT -5
Also, the closer a puppy gets to losing his baby (or milk) teeth, the further spread apart they are.
Newly emerged adult teeth will be sparkly white and clean and usually in a young dog with not the best previous care and diet will show some early plaque buildup getting worse as they get older.
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Post by bubsy on May 12, 2009 16:43:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about neutering at 6-7 months of age. I prefer not to speuter before then, but I've seen plenty of dogs done earlier than that with no ill effects.
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Post by Chloe on May 12, 2009 17:46:19 GMT -5
Birth None 3-4 weeks Deciduous teeth coming in 6 weeks All deciduous teeth are in 3-5 months Permanent incisors coming in 5-6 months Permanent canines start to erupt and by end of 6 months are in 6-7 Last molar in lower jaw (M3) is in After one year of age, chewing habits, mouth health, and mouth structure make it much more difficult to judge a dog's age by his or her teeth. As a guide: 1 1/2 years Cusp worn off lower middle incisor 2 1/2 Cusp worn off lower incisor next to middle 3 1/2 Cusp worn off upper middle incisor 4 1/2 Cusp worn off upper incisor next to middle 5 1/2 Wear on last incisors 6 1/2 Canines becoming blunt This might sound stupid, but how do I know if it's the last molar (M3)?
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Post by erpitrescue on May 12, 2009 22:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by Chloe on May 13, 2009 10:12:54 GMT -5
Thank you 4 all ur help/info!
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Post by loverocksalot on May 17, 2009 18:57:59 GMT -5
Rocky was done at about 4-5 months he is about 65-70 lbs solid muscle. Only thing I think is he has a small pee pee for his size. Think the growth of that could have been stunted by getting fixed young but Im ok with it who wants a big ya know what rubbing on you.
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Post by Chloe on May 22, 2009 19:39:08 GMT -5
Rocky was done at about 4-5 months he is about 65-70 lbs solid muscle. Only thing I think is he has a small pee pee for his size. Think the growth of that could have been stunted by getting fixed young but Im ok with it who wants a big ya know what rubbing on you. LOL!! OMG that was soooo funny, the funniest thing I've heard here! Thanks 4 the info! ;D
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Post by tank on May 23, 2009 15:25:22 GMT -5
Haha I have the opposite problem, because Lucy went through one heat her's is extra large.
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Post by loverocksalot on May 23, 2009 19:12:44 GMT -5
Rocky was done at about 4-5 months he is about 65-70 lbs solid muscle. Only thing I think is he has a small pee pee for his size. Think the growth of that could have been stunted by getting fixed young but Im ok with it who wants a big ya know what rubbing on you. LOL!! OMG that was soooo funny, the funniest thing I've heard here! Thanks 4 the info! ;D Sad but true! LOL
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Post by bubsy on May 24, 2009 16:11:46 GMT -5
It is true, if you neuter young the sexual organs with be smaller.
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Post by loverocksalot on May 24, 2009 19:40:49 GMT -5
Yeah the shelter thought Rocky was older than he actually was. They told me 5 months old when adopted. He went in a month later (back to shelter they fix free) thinking he was 6 months and he may have only been 3-4 months old. His shweeny is teeny. Vet confirmed he was younger than originally thought becaue he little razor teeth.
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