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Post by Courtney on Mar 11, 2008 16:20:34 GMT -5
One of my pups (3 months old) has been diagnosed with demodectic mange. It started out as a bit of hair loss on the top of her head, but has now spread down her back also. Our vet did a biopsy to diagnose, so we know for sure that's what it is. She even let me look at it through the microscope She prescribed Advantage Multi to be used for 6 weeks, with another biopsy done at that point. Does anyone have any experience with this? Poor pup looks just awful
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Post by valliesong on Mar 11, 2008 18:59:04 GMT -5
I don't have any direct experience, but know others who have had good luck treating it. I think diet is supposed to be really important as well.
Just be glad it isn't sarcoptic mange (scabies)!
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Post by AmyJo27 on Mar 11, 2008 19:31:24 GMT -5
I agree with the dogs diet can help. I was feeding Boomer Iams and he started loosing hair on his back legs and back and I switched him to Candiae and now his hair has started growing back!! He went to the vet and he Doesnt have mange so for treatment I have no tips but for repair of the hair I would definetly make sure you are feeding him/her a good food!
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Post by valliesong on Mar 12, 2008 7:01:45 GMT -5
PS - This type of mange is thought to be linked to a weak immune system, which may have a genetic component. If you know who has the parents and the dogs aren't altered yet, this may help convince them to spay/neuter. Dogs with a connection to this type of mange should not be bred.
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Post by Courtney on Mar 15, 2008 10:52:38 GMT -5
Yes, I did read about the connection to a weak immune system and not to breed these animals. I do know both parents and unfortunately it is a situation of backyard breeding for fighting/protection purposes which is why I rescued these pups in the first place.
The pups are fed high quality food, a combination of homemade bison/veggie "stew" and Wolf Cub dry food. I don't think food is the issue.
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Post by pitlover56 on Mar 30, 2008 21:25:29 GMT -5
MY PIT, AT 1 YR. AND 2 MTHS HAD DEMODECTIC MANAGE. IT STARTED OUT ON HIS CHEEK ABOUT THE SIZE OF A DIME..BECAUSE OF HIS PURE BLOODLINE, MY VET RECOMMENDED A SERIES OF BATHS,DONE AT THE VETS,ONCE A WEEK FOR 5 TO 7 WEEKS. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO HAVE HIS DAILY BATHS, BUT HIS THE MANAGE PATCH NEVER GREW! IT COST WAS ABOUT 70.00 A SESSION, BUT IT REAPED A PRICELESS REWARD. HIS BLOOD LINE REMAINS IN TACT, AND HIS COAT IS GORGEOUS AND UNSCARRED. HE IS A BREEDER BULLY, AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO OTHERS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE HONEST ABOT THE HEALTH OF YOUR BULLY WHEN MATING AND PROVIDING PROOF POSITIVE REGARDING THE BLOODLINE, HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS, ETC. SO AS A BULLY-MOMM THAT EXPERIENCED THE MANAGE AT A VERY EARY STAGE, I RECOMMEND SEEING A VET AND ASKING ABOUT THE MEDICATED TUB BATHS. IT PUTS YOU AT EASE, AND BETTER YET, A DMV WILL GUARANTEE THE RESULTS.
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Post by Courtney on Mar 30, 2008 22:43:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I will ask my vet about baths. Do you know the name of the bath they used?
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Post by valliesong on Mar 31, 2008 18:22:35 GMT -5
Dogs that have had this type of mange shouldn't be bred. It passes on the suppressed immune system that predisposes the dogs to this disease and others. The mites that cause demodex mange are present on all dogs. Only dogs that are highly stressed or immune suppressed develop demodex mange.
A dog is valuable whether or not the animal can be bred. It shouldn't matter what "means a lot to others," but rather that your dog is healthy and loved, and this condition is not passed on to other dogs. The same goes for dysplastic hips and elbows, coat color related alopecia (present in blues), deafness, thyroid disease, eye conditions, etc. All breeding stock should be PennHIP-ed or OFA-ed, BAER tested, examined by an opthamologist, and exhibit no genetically related health issues.
Additionally, all breeding stock should have working and/or show titles, be evaluated by a judge for adherence to breed standards, and have a correct temperament.
Sorry to hijack your mange thread, Courtney!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 1, 2008 7:03:50 GMT -5
MY PIT, AT 1 YR. AND 2 MTHS HAD DEMODECTIC MANAGE. IT STARTED OUT ON HIS CHEEK ABOUT THE SIZE OF A DIME..BECAUSE OF HIS PURE BLOODLINE, MY VET RECOMMENDED A SERIES OF BATHS,DONE AT THE VETS,ONCE A WEEK FOR 5 TO 7 WEEKS. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO HAVE HIS DAILY BATHS, BUT HIS THE MANAGE PATCH NEVER GREW! IT COST WAS ABOUT 70.00 A SESSION, BUT IT REAPED A PRICELESS REWARD. HIS BLOOD LINE REMAINS IN TACT, AND HIS COAT IS GORGEOUS AND UNSCARRED. HE IS A BREEDER BULLY, AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO OTHERS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE HONEST ABOT THE HEALTH OF YOUR BULLY WHEN MATING AND PROVIDING PROOF POSITIVE REGARDING THE BLOODLINE, HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS, ETC. SO AS A BULLY-MOMM THAT EXPERIENCED THE MANAGE AT A VERY EARY STAGE, I RECOMMEND SEEING A VET AND ASKING ABOUT THE MEDICATED TUB BATHS. IT PUTS YOU AT EASE, AND BETTER YET, A DMV WILL GUARANTEE THE RESULTS. Hey...just some friendly advice...in Internet message board land, it's considered rude to use all capital letters. You obviously are not being rude, but I wanted to let you know how your posts may come across to others. Also, what bloodline is this that it is so important you must breed your dog (is this a rare bloodline?) I noticed you posted a message on the intro board about your "Bully" and that you are looking to breed it. If your dog's bloodline is so valuable, shouldn't the breeder you purchased the dog from be able to provide a suitable mate, or recommend a suitable mate from the same bloodline? (Breeding ads aren't allowed here, by the way.) Lastly, this board is for American Pit Bull Terriers - you keep talking about your "Bully". What breed is that??? Also, as already mentioned by another member, dogs with demo should NEVER be bred. This is a genetic problem that will be passed on to the pups. Skin diseases are extremely uncomfortable/painful for dogs, and difficult for owners to manage. Do you really want to produce pups with the propensity to develope this disease???
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Post by Courtney on Apr 2, 2008 21:29:05 GMT -5
Good news! The pups went to the vet today and they are definitely improving! The Advantage Multi has done the trick, and as a bonus it also treats worms, fleas, sarcoptic mites, etc.
We will continue treatment for another 6 weeks and then do another biopsy.
There definitely must be a problem with one of the parents, as I have now found out that another member of the litter has the same problem.
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Post by angelpit on Apr 18, 2008 14:37:53 GMT -5
I have a female with the the same problem. I use a product that I got feom my vet called Omega Derm. Liquid gold you can tell major improvement witin two days. I also had her spayed for this reason.
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 18, 2008 21:57:11 GMT -5
i'm sure this has been said many times, but i'm on another website transfering my comcast for our move, and so i might as well add my two cents since i'm on hold over there... I think my dog is fabulous. She is beautiful, sweet, and so are her parents, siblings, etc... I've had a bit of experience with breeding and I would like to make a contribution to the breed in this way. That being said, I do not KNOW that I would breed my dog. Most likely I will NOT, because she may be the best thing since sliced bread, but really only one in, maybe 1,000 wonderful dogs should be bred. There are just sooo many! Bloodlines really don't mean as much as people put in them either, tho they can be a great indication. Having a dog of a certain bloodline does NOT mean this dog is breeding quality, nor is it mandatory to breed this dog. There are many other factors. First and foremost is freedom from or low risk to these genetic disorders (and most of these tests can't even be done until the dog is at least two years old)!!! As a human, if you carried the cystic fibrosis gene, you would not have a child with another carrier. It is NOT responsible to breed any dog with this skin disorder. We must be responsible for the lives we create, making sure they do not suffer needlessly. Not only should the dog be disease free, the dog must meet rigorous confirmation standards proven in the show ring-because that is where your dog's confirmation and gait can be assessed properly by experts who have decades of experience on you or I. The dog should have ideal pit bull temperment as well, because a shady bitch of GREAT bloodlines will most likely throw shady pups. This is such a big part of fighting BSL. These dogs bred by pseudo-breeders who don't care about following hundreds of years of established breeding standards are creating "pit bulls" that are not good representatives of the breed, and the rest of us-and the dogs-are suffering for it. There is way more at stake here than bloodlines. I am sure that the breeder of your dog will continue the bloodline, whether he should or not, because he already has produced dogs with this skin weakness. No one can tell anyone what to do, but if it were me, or if my dog isn't up to those standards, I have no need to breed. You really DON'T make much money, it is insanely hard work, and you wind up having to rehome dogs if you screw up the placements. There are all types of legal dramas you can find yourself in as a novice breeder, too. The ONLY payback for all this is knowing that you contributed near PERFECT pit bulls to the world, and are helping to preserve this noble breed in times when we are under attack from so many places.
I only hope that anyone seeking to breed a dog without following the time tested formula for success and good ethics will consider this, my own novice opinion. Again, I respect everyone's right to do what they will, as long as no one-human or canine-is harmed.
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 18, 2008 22:00:00 GMT -5
not to mention all the money that those of us who adore our females will spend on vet care while she is pregnant, including the MANDATORY 5,000 saved up for emegency proceedures. It would BREAK my HEART to lose my dog through my own desire to breed. She is my best friend, my buddy, my child, and so utterly dependant on my judgement and whims.
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