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Post by karladbmb on May 12, 2011 16:25:15 GMT -5
Does anyone have any proof of how "nanny dog" was never used to refer to pit bulls, only to SBTs? Trying to educate someone who's horribly inaccurate blog post is starting to be spread around facebook ( www.ywgrossman.com/photoblog/?p=676 for the curious - plus they (hopefully unknowingly) stole a handful pictures that belong exclusively to Dont Bully My Breed). (I know this has been discussed in passing, but I searched for "nanny dog" and went back a year and couldn't find anything.)
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Post by emilys on May 12, 2011 19:17:03 GMT -5
never ever ever. Not EVER in the history of the APBT was that term used. It's an ENGLISH word. Think about it: "nannies" weren't even used in the US particularly until recently. And there's plenty of evidence that APBTs were owned by classes of people who couldn't have afforded childcare anyway. It's f'ng stupid.. I don't know who started this b.s. and it burns me that people just mindlessly repeat it. I asked some Staffordshire Bull Terrier people on an international board if they knew where that term had originated for the SBT, and none of them could pinpoint it either. And btw, they HATE the term because it implies that children can be left safely with SBTs (or any other dog). The dog "Nanna" in the Peter Pan story was not an SBT, either...
Now, there is LOTS of photographic evidence from the turn of the century that pit bulls were family dogs and had an affinity for children. That's a different thing though.
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Post by karladbmb on May 12, 2011 19:45:50 GMT -5
never ever ever. Not EVER in the history of the APBT was that term used. It's an ENGLISH word. Think about it: "nannies" weren't even used in the US particularly until recently. And there's plenty of evidence that APBTs were owned by classes of people who couldn't have afforded childcare anyway. It's f'ng stupid.. I don't know who started this b.s. and it burns me that people just mindlessly repeat it. I asked some Staffordshire Bull Terrier people on an international board if they knew where that term had originated for the SBT, and none of them could pinpoint it either. And btw, they HATE the term because it implies that children can be left safely with SBTs (or any other dog). The dog "Nanna" in the Peter Pan story was not an SBT, either... Now, there is LOTS of photographic evidence from the turn of the century that pit bulls were family dogs and had an affinity for children. That's a different thing though. Yeah, I was just hoping that there was some kind of "proof" for the phrase never being used, since all the "nanny doggers" point to their "pit bull" education websites as proof that it was used. It's just been parroted so long, it's accepted as truth...I think the next time I hear someone say it, I'll ask them to show me a historical account of it being used. They won't be able to. ;D
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2011 20:33:51 GMT -5
That blog entry is riddled with inaccuracies. The nanny dog claim isn't the worst.
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Post by karladbmb on May 12, 2011 21:03:08 GMT -5
That blog entry is riddled with inaccuracies. The nanny dog claim isn't the worst. I particularly like the claim that "pit bull puppies prefer human company to their mother’s two weeks before all other dogs". Um, what?
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Post by emilys on May 12, 2011 21:07:37 GMT -5
never ever ever. Not EVER in the history of the APBT was that term used. It's an ENGLISH word. Think about it: "nannies" weren't even used in the US particularly until recently. And there's plenty of evidence that APBTs were owned by classes of people who couldn't have afforded childcare anyway. It's f'ng stupid.. I don't know who started this b.s. and it burns me that people just mindlessly repeat it. I asked some Staffordshire Bull Terrier people on an international board if they knew where that term had originated for the SBT, and none of them could pinpoint it either. And btw, they HATE the term because it implies that children can be left safely with SBTs (or any other dog). The dog "Nanna" in the Peter Pan story was not an SBT, either... Now, there is LOTS of photographic evidence from the turn of the century that pit bulls were family dogs and had an affinity for children. That's a different thing though. Yeah, I was just hoping that there was some kind of "proof" for the phrase never being used, since all the "nanny doggers" point to their "pit bull" education websites as proof that it was used. It's just been parroted so long, it's accepted as truth...I think the next time I hear someone say it, I'll ask them to show me a historical account of it being used. They won't be able to. ;D no they won't.. all they will be able to show is some recent book that parrots the phrase without giving a source. Some pinker is challenging me on FB now, actually calling me a pit bull hater...
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Post by catstina on May 12, 2011 21:22:33 GMT -5
You are such a rebel, em, always shaking it up!!
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Post by bubsy on May 12, 2011 21:30:11 GMT -5
I saw this blog post on FB, was going to bring it up here, too LOL. I almost said something on FB, but decided not to LOL..Emily where are you having your discussion? I also had someone on FB say recently about the name APBT "why can't we just call them their original name, nanny dog?" or something to that effect. I was like wtf? Again, didn't want to get in a FB shitstorm LOL...so I kept quiet.
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Post by emilys on May 12, 2011 21:42:25 GMT -5
I saw this blog post on FB, was going to bring it up here, too LOL. I almost said something on FB, but decided not to LOL..Emily where are you having your discussion? I also had someone on FB say recently about the name APBT "why can't we just call them their original name, nanny dog?" or something to that effect. I was like wtf? Again, didn't want to get in a FB shitstorm LOL...so I kept quiet. www.facebook.com/pages/Love-A-Bull-Inc/44415036460but it's all over the place... it's a losing battle.
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Post by suziriot on May 12, 2011 22:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by bubsy on May 12, 2011 22:35:49 GMT -5
You are right, it is a losing battle. It's interesting...stating that the APBT was never called the "nanny dog" is somehow offensive??
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Post by bubsy on May 12, 2011 22:37:42 GMT -5
Agh, Suzi, that is awful! Yes, please post your experience. NO dog should be left unattended with a child, no matter how kid friendly they are.
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Post by suziriot on May 12, 2011 23:09:12 GMT -5
Bubsy, it was awful. And tragic, because it so easily could have been avoided. Now both the child and the dog will suffer.
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Post by michele5611 on May 12, 2011 23:14:09 GMT -5
As if I don't have enough problems sleeping I am even more wide awake after reading the absurd Facebook comments! Em is right it is a losing battle but Suzi give em hell
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Post by catstina on May 13, 2011 5:49:22 GMT -5
Suzi, that's a terrible situation. I feel so bad for the poor baby and the poor dog. Irresponsible parents make me sick.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 13, 2011 7:40:11 GMT -5
There is no proof that "nanny dog" was ever used as a nickname for the APBT. If these people want to use a term, THEY should be the ones to provide the proof it was used historically.
Asking others to DISprove a statement being made is ridiculous and the tactic of those with no legs to stand on in terms of the argument they are making.
The first time I heard the term was in reference to SBTs, many years ago. Now it's just being thrown about left and right by the Pinkers.
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Post by adoptapitbull on May 13, 2011 7:43:26 GMT -5
I think people get sort of offended because they want so much for it to be true. I mean, it's not like we're saying, "No, actually, they snack on small children." It's just that we're saying that, historically, that is not a fact. Does that mean that Pit Bulls are bad with children? No, as we all know that they are usually very good. Just because we want real facts doesn't mean we're putting down APBT history!
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Post by RealPitBull on May 13, 2011 7:45:53 GMT -5
I think people get sort of offended because they want so much for it to be true. I mean, it's not like we're saying, "No, actually, they snack on small children." It's just that we're saying that, historically, that is not a fact. Does that mean that Pit Bulls are bad with children? No, as we all know that they are usually very good. Just because we want real facts doesn't mean we're putting down APBT history! Totally. But people are so emotionally invested in the CAUSE over the BREED at times, and that means there is lots of irrational arguing and tossing around of inaccuracies.....
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Post by bluetrees on May 13, 2011 7:45:59 GMT -5
I get so fired up about this type of thing.
Suzi, that is the most awful thing ever! I can't believe they thought it would be okay to leave their toddler along with a sleeping dog.
My mom left my nephew alone wither her very old dog. We knew the dog had cancer and was probably in pain at that point. So when he wouldn't leave her alone and kept pulling at her, she sharked his cheek. He got a bruise.
My mom and sisters were like "I can't believe she bit him! We have to put her down. She can't be trusted!" I was the only voice of reason saying, "Hey, no dog should be left alone with a child! She is in pain and he was bothering her! This is NOT her fault! If you want to put her down, do it because she is in pain, not because she told an annoying 1 1/2 year old to back off."
They all got the picture crystal clear after that. It never occurred to them that it would be their fault. She was put down about six months after that because her pain became worse.
RIP Alli
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Post by catstina on May 13, 2011 8:03:19 GMT -5
I'm glad you were able to buy Alli 6 months more of love, Annie. May she rest well over the rainbow bridge. StubbyDog (a group that isn't really a Pit Bull advocacy group) had a great post about dogs with kids this week: stubbydog.org/2011/05/how-do-you-achieve-harmony-with-kids-and-dogs/It shows plenty of pictures of "Pit Bulls" with kids, but also has plenty of advice on how to keep kids and dogs safe: Give your dog a special place that is off limits to kids, like a comfy crate or a room with a door. Let your dog hang out there, undisturbed, when they’re overwhelmed by the busy activities involving the kids or visiting children that make them nervous. Teach your kids to never crawl into your dog’s crate and to respect your dog’s special kid-free chill-out zone. ~ Jessica DolceAlways have adult supervision. ~ Francine ThomasMake sure that your children understand boundaries with animals. From as little as I can remember, we taught our boys that animals are special and they have feelings that must be respected. Our kids know not to approach our dogs while they are eating, not to , pull or yank on them, and that above all, we are all members of the same family “pack.” At 3 and 5 they are the gentlest, kindest kids I could ask for with our dogs and other animals and our furry crew loves them because of it. ~ Trina AltmanAnd I didn't see the term "Nanny Dog" anywhere on the page!
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