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Post by irosstm on Jan 30, 2012 9:08:08 GMT -5
ok, so i have a few baby gates up blocking my girlfriends kids rooms and our room. I really hate stepping over them, its very hazardous sometimes lol. the training vid/collar i have has something about it but this video seems rhetorical. It says take him to the door way, sit him inside, push him back out, give a correctional tug on collar. idk maybe i dont trust them enough but i want the kids to be able to play with toys without having to stress the dogs. any tips on this and similar scenarios would be greatly appreciated!!! thanks guys!!
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 30, 2012 12:21:52 GMT -5
Yeah first advice, return that video for a refund. there are baby gates that swing in many different styles. I had one for the top of my stairs because it is dangerous to have a type that just is attached by pressure at top of stairs. www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dpets&field-keywords=baby+swing+gate&x=0&y=0 That solution that you posted above to put dog in and push him out and correct him is the worst idea I ever heard of. Rather when the children are playing have a spot where the dog goes dont force him there put a little carpet or bed or something away from where children play. when he puts a paw on it say yes give him treat do this over and over then up the anti and expect two paws yes treat over and over like 10 times or more. Then four paws etc if he lays down give him a jackpot treat after treat one at a time as he gets this you can add go to your spot if he goes you can reward from across the room by tossing a treat to him. Or you can just toss treats to the spot at the childrens play time eventually if you do this every day he will learn to go to spot when children play then you can phase out the treats. Watch this video instead. www.raisewithpraise.com/DogTrainingVideoLibrary.htm#freebies choose the magnet game. all the clips are good. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 30, 2012 12:29:51 GMT -5
BTW I went to a trainer that used collar corrections and it just taught my well behaved puppy to snap at the kids if they went any where near his collar. I learned from getting advice from the real pit bull website way back when before this forum that I now had to desensitize my puppy that touching his collar was a good thing. A one time collar correction from this trainer caused damage in just minutes. As far as I am concerned there are only a handful of dogs that need that type of training and it would be as a last resort for a serious issue and only with someone who is able to handle it. not the average dog owner like our self. And the description you gave above would make my dog worse. keep the gates up and if not up reward the dog for not going in the room. I think this would be a good crate time for the pups.
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Post by fureverywhere on Jan 30, 2012 13:22:21 GMT -5
I don't know zoo about dog training but agree its a dangerous idea for kids to do corrections. A child doesn't have the size or judgement needed.
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 30, 2012 15:03:59 GMT -5
I dont think he was going to have the kids do corrections. I think he is trying to find a way for the kids to play but the dogs stay out of the play area.
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Post by irosstm on Jan 31, 2012 8:30:41 GMT -5
The kids make simple corrections such as NO, when i am there. I would never tell them to touch his collar. I also have them walk him from time to time, is it ok for a 6 and 7 year old to have said responsibility? They only go around the house and typically wanna walk Lucy(chi), not Ziggy.
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Post by sugar on Jan 31, 2012 9:23:31 GMT -5
At 6 and 7 they shouldn't be walking Ziggy. They should be with you when you walk Ziggy. I like Carolann's idea about having a special place for Ziggy to go. A crate is a wonderful idea because it will feel like his special home where kids can't bother him (all dogs need a quiet space sometimes). I like her idea of teaching the dog to to essentially "go to place"
On the flip side, its important to teach your kids that when the dog is in his special home, they are not to bother him either.
But PLEASE toss that book now! Any book that teaches you to use force against you dog shoud not be in your personal library.
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 31, 2012 9:30:00 GMT -5
6 & 7 is a good age to teach responsibility. Like they can put food in dogs bowl while you are supervising and dog is tethered. Then they can give dog command to eat as you release dog and child is now away from food bowl. Better to have kids and your self reward for behaviors you want rather than correcting. Catch the good behaviors and give rewards.
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Post by sugar on Jan 31, 2012 9:40:16 GMT -5
Also, for whatever its worth, be careful about just climbing over baby gates. My last dog (shepard-lab mix) had a baby gate put in to keep her in one area for certain periods of time (like if we had guests over, she was not very stranger friendly). Anywho, it was going great until she saw my brothers climbing over the gate (they didn't want to use the swinging door on the gate). She eventually pickup up that these gates can be climbed over.
Never worked again.
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Post by loverocksalot on Jan 31, 2012 9:41:15 GMT -5
^this is where teaching a go to spot comes in handy for feeding time too. This is what I did with my pup when he was 4 months old and my son was 10. They are a bit young but it would be good for them to learn to not be forceful or yelling at the dog. Believe me the best thing I ever did was have my younger son be the one doing the routine of feeding time. To this day (my son is to be 17 soon and Rocky 6) the routine is 6:30 feed time. Rocky pulls his bowl out around 6 waits for someone to ask him to bring his bowl. He then goes to his spot and if he does not he is told to and he goes and he waits as food is put in bowl. He will not attempt to go until he is told "EAT" and only eat you can say feet, meat, he will not go. At times we forget to give him the command and he will stay there and eventually whine very quiet to remind you. When Eat is said he is off and eating. If told to leave it he will stop eating and wait to be told to eat again. No force or saying no or collar corrections were needed. Rocky was a little food protective when he came from the shelter and using this and other positive methods the result was a well behaved dog. It took longer than if I just pulled his collar. He would stop what he was doing but it would only work for a moment. The conversion to positive training has lasted a lifetime for him. He is always looking to please me to get his reward. Which sometimes is just getting to go on the couch with me because he earned it.
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