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Post by catstina on Feb 16, 2012 23:14:18 GMT -5
dollysfoundation.org/2012/02/17/we-support-same-sex-adoptions/We Support Same Sex Adoptions! by Dolly's Foundation on February 17, 2012 There are some “facts” I often hear that make me cringe. “Facts” that are shared by fellow animal advocates, who believe with all their heart, that they’re sending educational, factual information out into the world to better the future of our beloved pit bull type dogs. For instance: MYTH- ”Most pit bulls are dog aggressive.” MYTH- “Female pit bull dogs cannot peacefully live with other female pit bulls dogs, and the same goes for male pit bull dogs.” I see “pit bull” rescue and advocacy organizations sharing this information, requiring special knowledge or requirements for adopting a “pit bull” type dog. I get it; we do home checks too. But we’d do rigorous application processes and home checks regardless of breed. Some organizations wont adopt out a male pit bull dog, if there is a resident male pit bull dog in the home already. What happened to profiling? Isn’t that what we strive to change? I can’t help but notice that most of the time we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. While we’re out begging Miami-Dade County to change their policy and overturn the 20 year long ban, we’re screaming to them that pit bull dogs are different; “they’re dog aggressive and they’re unable to peacefully live with other dogs.” Not true! If there is one thing I’ve learned in my years of rescue and shelter work its this: All dogs are individuals. It’s practically my favorite saying on the planet. I say it daily, and I type it multiple times a day. Instead of telling everyone pit bull dogs need special adoption requirements due to their “typical animal aggression,” leave your adoption policy open and say “Our dogs are individuals and we treat them as such. If you’re interested in adopting one of our amazing dogs, let us know which one and we’ll do our best to responsibly introduce them to your home to evaluate the probability of a successful adoption.” Get to know your dogs on a personal basis, none of them are exactly the same. Think about all the amazing homes you’re missing out on because of these silly policies that don’t apply to all dogs, and to be honest, if you’re having that much trouble introducing dogs, maybe you should re-evaluate your technique. Dog “aggression” isn’t a black and white issue and it certainly isn’t breed specific. We don’t like when others label our dogs, so why do we do it ourselves? In closing, we love same sex adoptions. If we had rules banning them, most of our adopted dogs wouldn’t be in the amazing successful homes they’re in. So, join in and evaluate dogs individually rather than by breed or sex, your dogs will thank you
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2012 7:48:44 GMT -5
Same sex adoptions are fine until they go wrong.
I can't help but wonder what another adoptive home would have done if they were in my situation... Lola decided that after 4 months Sedona should be bitten. The girls can't be together, At all. How many homes can live with crate & rotate?
There are reasons that we (as an APBT community) have rules and guidelines to live by. If the dogs decide to break the rules, it makes things very hard for the humans, and potentially life threatening for the dogs. There aren't many dog breeds to which this applies... and therein lies the problem that the pinkers ignore, or try to downplay.
Same sex aggression is pretty common in the breed. In any breed. But APBTs take it much further than most other dogs.
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Post by melonie on Feb 17, 2012 8:46:53 GMT -5
I have been lucky, but at the same time I haven't. Rhett and Winnie got along great until Cleveland stepped into the picture. Winnie and Cleveland get along great, but Ellie makes it a lot more tense. Cleveland is not liking Wrinkles. So for the last week I've been doing crate and rotate. Winnie and Cleveland are together, Ellie is in her crate in the livingroom. Wrinkles is completely separate from the other. I did let all three original dogs outside this morning, but promptly crated them all for breakfast.
Luckily Winnie loves hanging out in my room sleeping on my bed even if he's a free dog. At night the boys get me, and Aryn gets Ellie.
It is not so easy, it isn't fun. I am again trying to re-home Cleveland because he is a horrible little instigator, and has it out for Wrinkles. He is typical of the breed I think. Awesome freaking dog, strong willed dog!
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Post by adoptapitbull on Feb 17, 2012 21:57:38 GMT -5
Crate and rotate sucks, but having to constantly worry/watch for a fight sucks 10x worse.
All of mine got along great for awhile, some even years. But once you have one real fight, you realize quickly how your household will have to change. Would I ever get rid of one of my boys? Heck no. Do I regret adopting them? Double heck no. Will I ever have 3 male Pit mixes again? Also, a no.
I don't think a shelter should strictly forbid same sex adoptions, because the adopter is going to just go elsewhere to get what they want. What they should have is some more education on the topic, and maybe even provide some literature with examples of previous adopter's situation. Then again, would that have stopped me from adopting Cappy or Snorts? Probably not.
Now do I think that foo-foo bullsh!t up there from Dolly's Foundation is helping the cause at all? Absolutely not. She's just opening the door to more surrenders and euthanasias because "I read on Dolly's that they would get along great!"
We're doomed.
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Post by susan on Feb 18, 2012 18:42:33 GMT -5
hmmmmm my son does pit rescue he has 3 keepers he dont give up 2 females 1 male has had them 5 years never a problem. guess he is just lucky one
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Post by bubsy on Feb 19, 2012 0:50:26 GMT -5
Hey, if they want to support same sex adoptions that's fine. I hope that they also support their adopters when and if things go wrong.
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Post by maryellen on Feb 19, 2012 8:17:27 GMT -5
even other breeds cant do same sex.. gsds and dobes are two to name a few..
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Post by adoptapitbull on Feb 19, 2012 8:31:53 GMT -5
And Neos are basically solo dogs all together. It's nearly impossible to add another dog when you have a Neo.
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Post by maryellen on Feb 20, 2012 19:13:14 GMT -5
i have always had same sex dogs, its either 2 males and a female or 2 females and a male. and i always make sure when i do have same sex that the personalities all match across the board for compatibility, and i always stretch out the age gap. that works well for me, and i never have the same breeds for same sex- now i have a female dalmation, a female gsd and a male pitx, when i had my house i had a female gsd , a male pitx, and a male rottx..
while some same sex can work out, it depends on the breed/dog .. i would never do same sex bullies, gsds, dobes or neos lol.... or any mastiff breed..
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Post by catstina on Feb 20, 2012 21:11:13 GMT -5
Hey, if they want to support same sex adoptions that's fine. I hope that they also support their adopters when and if things go wrong. That's the thing that so many of today's advocates ignore. |
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Post by pitunia on Apr 28, 2012 23:11:23 GMT -5
I think people forget that not all dogs, I am speaking in general terms...dog, do not always like the dog that humans pick out. A rude dog that lacks proper social skills will cause issues as will two dominate dogs. In our rescue group, we always base the adoption on how the dogs get along with each other. I prefer to let the dogs choose who their new friend will be and not the humans. The humans can select from a pool but the final decision is always the resident dog. I make that very clear to our adopters.
I have eight pit bulls in my pack. It take management and commonsense. It is clear that I do not have eight sexes of dogs... :-) but I have a pack that selected on compatablity.
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Post by johnr on Apr 29, 2012 16:11:38 GMT -5
I've had as many as 9 females and a male running together. My worst intra-pack incidents, including the fight that left Silly with an injury that shouldn't have been mortal but was because her trachea was nicked, were all same sex affairs. The only males that Pablo accepted were two Doxies. He also seemed cool with one foster Shih Tzu-ish thing that I simply never wanted to make part of the pack. But Pablo also made it clear that some females couldn't be added to the pack. All my current dogs are female and all run together when I'm home, but Angel the Lab Mix with maybe a pinch of Pit in her and Pumpkin the Bassett Mix have had three serious encounters and are crated when I'm not here.
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Post by johnr on Apr 29, 2012 16:14:49 GMT -5
I think it's not unreasonable when advocacy groups object to excessively strict and mindlessly heeded "rules" for placement when the alternative for lots of dogs is "this home or the needle". But you have to know the individual dogs well enough to know when it's a reasonable vs unreasonable risk. But adopters should be made aware of the risk and, yes, the group making the placement should help out in times of trouble and accept the dog back if things become impossible.
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Post by mhaze on May 3, 2012 12:26:18 GMT -5
The human element is very important. Understanding dog personalities is very important. Understanding the potential consequence is huge. It seems downright irresponsible to dismiss it as myth.
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Post by maryellen on May 3, 2012 15:50:59 GMT -5
every time i add a dog i make sure the exissting dogs want the dog there/get along with the dog.. if the resident dogs dont take to the new dog right away, there is no new dog. when i was looking for a 2nd dog for me and rufus it took me over a year to find the right match. i took rufus on every meeting to see how he liked the other dog, every one he didnt want anything to do with until i got sadie. he took to her immediately at first meeting.
when i hadmy old gsd first, i took her to meet every dog till i got sonny, then when i brought rufus in i made sure sonny and jesse liked rufus. even when i fostered, i always brought rufus to meet the potential foster to see if i could foster or not.
and yes, Human element is critical
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Post by Dave on May 3, 2012 16:42:16 GMT -5
Even first meetings can be a lie. Jackson loved Lola when they met, I brought her home he wanted nothing to do with her. When Rocky met Sedona, he was hackles up the whole time, when she met Lola they ignored each other. When she came home she was a totally different dog inside the house, and both of their reactions to her were different.
You can only tell after they've all become accustomed to each other.
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Post by adoptapitbull on May 3, 2012 17:45:10 GMT -5
Even first meetings can be a lie. Jackson loved Lola when they met, I brought her home he wanted nothing to do with her. When Rocky met Sedona, he was hackles up the whole time, when she met Lola they ignored each other. When she came home she was a totally different dog inside the house, and both of their reactions to her were different. You can only tell after they've all become accustomed to each other. Yes x10000. Granted, a first meeting that goes south is probably a good indicator of more bad to come. If I had a dollar for all the photos I have of Mav and Snorts and Snorts and Cappy cuddling, I'd be rich! Now, even the same room is out of the question. |
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Post by maryellen on May 3, 2012 17:50:58 GMT -5
yes this is true too!
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Post by sugar on May 4, 2012 11:34:14 GMT -5
And Neos are basically solo dogs all together. It's nearly impossible to add another dog when you have a Neo. Yeah, but technically 1 Neo equals about 2-3 "regular"-sized dogs anyway  |
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Post by AmyJo27 on May 7, 2012 17:05:13 GMT -5
We have 2 male Pits. One is about 4 years old and the other is 3 months old.
When we got Capone (The youngest) we were intending on getting a female but Bola took to this male pup and acted grouchy with the female pup.
At this point, these two are in love with each other…They cuddling 24-7, play together all the time etc.
But we are prepared for it to possibly change someday. We have extra rooms in our house so we already have a crate and rotate plan if these two decide to hate each other when the youngest matures.
Im hoping this doesn’t happen but Id say its at least a 50/50 chance.
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