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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 25, 2013 11:22:33 GMT -5
I don't know anything about this group, and this post isn't meant to slam - I just thought it was interesting that they call themselves a Pit Bull rescue but then say they do not rescue Pit Bulls, but rather "American Rescue Dogs". www.pitbullhappenings.com/Does ANY other purebred dog rescue do this? I've never come across ONE. Important notice regarding the PBH Rescue Dogs:
Visual breed identification has proven to be inaccurate and unreliable! In addition, canine DNA testing is relatively new and none to our knowledge test for the American Pit Bull Terrier (the true Pit Bull) making DNA testing unreliable and inaccurate. The fact is, unless you know the history, lineage/parentage, etc. we shouldn't be labeling the dogs and passing inaccurate info to the adopters, general public, and others. The dogs we rescue from shelters come from an unknown background and most of our owner surrenders we take into our Rescue, the owners are unable to prove their history. Further more, several different breeds share similar characteristics as the American Pit Bull Terrier. Therefore, we are unable to guarantee the predominant and precise breed for our dogs hence, our Dogs are American Rescue Dogs! We will call our Dogs the American Pit Bull Terrier when we know the lineage/history. We judge our Dogs on their own individual behavior and personality! Unless otherwise noted, the following dogs are American Rescue Dogs! |
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Post by maryellen on Jun 25, 2013 11:55:20 GMT -5
what gets me is EVERY dog for adoption is good with other dogs. and calling them american rescue dogs.. geesh
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 25, 2013 11:57:05 GMT -5
I noticed the same thing, ME. Even the young ones, under a year.
If you don't want to claim a dog of unknown pedigree is a purebred anything, I understand that, but don't talk out of both sides of your mouth and say you are doing "pit bull" rescue. It's the hypocrisy that annoys me.
This is of course all smoke and mirrors to help circumvent BSL (even if a lot of people using this kind of spin don't realize that's what they are doing.)
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Post by perseus on Jun 25, 2013 11:57:07 GMT -5
My initial thought is that there isn't enough info here to tell just what they actually know about "Pit Bulls". If they are adopting out dogs without properly informing people on the breed and or are candy coating it. Well...  . |
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Post by michele5611 on Jun 25, 2013 12:28:39 GMT -5
I could do without the whole speech about why they call themselves that particularly when it does not really make sense to me. Just call yourselves XYZ rescue and leave it at that.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 25, 2013 13:41:54 GMT -5
SO Michele just kick-started my memory. The guy that started/runs PBH used to just have a website of various info/stuff on it, some of it lifted from RPB. When I asked him about it, he first said he'd remove it, then got very nasty with me in subsequent emails. People stealing material off RPB and/or plagiarizing it happens quite often. I just can't remember - other than one other psycho - anyone else getting so Weird about it when asked where they got their material/to please remove it.
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Post by michele5611 on Jun 25, 2013 13:45:51 GMT -5
Just sent you the rest of the old emails. My memory is like a steel trap.  |
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Post by maryellen on Jun 25, 2013 16:13:49 GMT -5
at least they arent labeling them lab mixes or hound mixes like other rescues do, so thats a plus. they do have on the left side breed info, but i dont get the "american rescue dogs" wtf is that? they rescue dogs from america? so if they rescued dogs from mexico or canada they would be "mexican rescue dogs" or "french canadian rescue dogs"?
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Post by pitbullhappenings on Jan 3, 2014 16:38:30 GMT -5
Wow... it's wonderful to browse the internet to find a post admitting not to know another Rescue Organization and then mock them and whatnot (chose the word "mock" since the OP states she doesn't mean to "slam" which is quite debatable... but to each their own). We will also have to disagree regarding those emails. I will not partake in the drama, period.
First, unlike many so-called Rescue Organizations... I will not follow par with the many so-called "Pit Bull" Rescues who have played a huge role in putting the American Pit Bull Terrier where they are today... Unlike many "Pit Bull" Rescues and other rescue groups... I will not call every dog and the mix thereof a Pit Bull. There is only one, the American Pit Bull Terrier, period. The purpose of the "American Rescue Dog" was a temporary "label" while I figured out how to battle the "Pit Bull" label. Today, upwards of 30 different dog breeds and the mixes thereof are being called a "Pit Bull" and I stand firm when I say that is a HUGE part of the problem! The general public, media, lawmakers, and everybody else will remain confused as to what a Pit Bull is. I do not share the same thoughts as the ones stating "Pit Bull is not a breed" that it is a "generalized term grouping a few breeds together" etc... This is the reason I created my disclaimer in which if you delete the "American Rescue Dog" (which for the record has been retracted) is 100% factual and I stand by it 100%. I suppose we should follow par with every other rescue and due to human appeasement and fascination with labeling everything in this world with a label whether it's accurate or inaccurate.
I have never claimed to be a "pure breed" Rescue. Yes, we are a Pit Bull Rescue and yes, we rescue many Pit Bulls. We also have rescued many different Hound Dogs, Boxers, Labs, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, etc... we don't discriminate. In my rescue we hold Education paramount followed closely by Rescue. Without true Education... the rescue part is insufficient. I challenge any "Pit Bull" Rescues claiming to only rescuing purebred American Pit Bull Terriers that are pulling their dogs from the animal shelters. Without having the knowledge or history of that dog, you cannot claim such and I'll call BS every time! The American Pit Bull Terrier shares similar characteristics with several other breeds. Unless you know the parents and lineage... you can't guarantee you rescued an American Pit Bull Terrier solely by their appearance.
No... my website is not complete... the webmaster is MIA and I'm not a true Geek but I do think I've done a great job on the website despite my still having tons of work to do on it... Maybe Mary has forgotten what it's like to start up a rescue and to have a young rescue... it takes times! I won't bother listing the duties of a Rescue Owner... as I could go on forever... I'm busy in real time rescuing dogs that need help. That's what I do... my average Home Inspection lasts 2 hours. We adopt dogs throughout the state of Florida (except for Miami-Dade County). I'm the only one who does the home inspection as I take it very seriously and it is my responsibility for proper placement... my home inspections aren't just an inspection of the premises. It is a huge educational opportunity which I capitalize on... it also allows me to better know the adopters on a personable level. Again, I take it very seriously. My real time rescue endeavors trumps the endless online rescue work that needs to be done. I encourage everybody to volunteer with their local rescues/shelters as Lord knows there is more than enough work to go around.
What I don't understand... is why Veteran Rescue Groups instead of offering to share knowledge, or to reach out, or whatnot... they prefer to bash others... they prefer the drama... they prefer to mock others... and then to get deeper... my conclusion of the "Rescue Community" is... it's broken and broken badly! The evil and hate is extremely heavy... it's very sad.
To anybody that runs across this thread if you have any issues or questions with/about my Rescue Organization, please email me at Eric@PitBullHappenings.com
PS - Please do not take any of the above "text" out of concept... this is in no way meant to be perceived as a negative post nor is it meant to "slam" any others. When I write, I do not write with emotions. "Text" has no emotions. This post is solely meant to set the record straight in respect to my rescue and my website,
PS 2 - And if you truly know who I am... you will quickly realize I am not one to sugar coat anything especially regarding Pit Bulls... Sugar coating too is a huge part of the problem which plagues the so-called "rescue community"...
I stand by my "Breed Disclaimer" 100%
"Visual breed identification has proven to be inaccurate and unreliable! In addition, canine DNA testing is relatively new and none to our knowledge test for the American Pit Bull Terrier (the true Pit Bull) making DNA testing unreliable and inaccurate. The fact is, unless you know the history, lineage/parentage, etc. we shouldn't be labeling the dogs and passing inaccurate info to the adopters, general public, and others. The dogs we rescue from shelters come from an unknown background and most of our owner surrenders we take into our Rescue, the owners are unable to prove their history. Further more, several different breeds share similar characteristics as the American Pit Bull Terrier. Therefore, we are unable to guarantee the predominant and precise breed for our dogs! We will call our Dogs the American Pit Bull Terrier when we know the lineage/history. We judge our Dogs on their own individual behavior and personality!" ~ www.PitBullRescue.com
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Post by maryellen on Jan 3, 2014 16:48:48 GMT -5
This cracks me up - 2 hrhome visit? So what.. my home visits last 3 hours or more- i at least dont hide the truth about the breeds heritage and i advise my potential adopters about the breeds DA...
If you are going to rescue pit bulls then say that is what they are- get off thetreehugger "if there are no papers then the dog isnt pure" bandwagon and do the breed justice ... Every new so called rescue that pops up is drinking the "this is not a pitbull with no papers" koolaid and is doing the dogs an injustice... Just because a dog doesnt have papers doesnt mean shit..
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Post by pitbullhappenings on Jan 3, 2014 17:00:43 GMT -5
And where exactly am I hiding the truth? I have never denied the APBT their history! It is who they are whether we like it or not! I have NEVER denied dog aggression EVER!! Where exactly are you getting this from? You are clearly clueless to who I am and who Pit Bull Happenings Rescue is... I preach dog aggression day in and day out! A LOT of different dog breeds have dog aggression but YES... the APBT is definitely more prone to it... And I said 2 hours was only the average... my longest has been 6 hours but this is moot point.
It's rather amazing how you'll question my knowledge yet clearly know NOTHING about me.... Very professional post maryellen... carry on... I had hoped to give a better insight into who I am and my organization but apparently that was an epic fail... But please answer where exactly do you come up with my denying the APBT their history and denying dog aggression?
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Post by pitbullhappenings on Jan 3, 2014 17:03:22 GMT -5
No... I do not call my dogs an American Pit Bull Terrier... I have called many "Pit Bulls" and "Pit Bulls mixes"...
By the way... At every adoption event I am... I have a Volunteer meeting right before and remind my Volunteers regardless of how good or not my dogs are with other dogs... that I want them to treat ALL my dogs at the adoption event as if they are Dog Aggressive! I have many volunteers who will attest to that! So, yes... I take dog aggression very seriously!
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Post by pitbullhappenings on Jan 3, 2014 17:09:57 GMT -5
Bottom line... I need not defend myself nor my Rescue Operations to anybody... I simply wanted to offer others another insight into my Organization which I have now done. Everybody is free to think and feel what they want... whether it's fact based or drama and assumption based. I am not here to appease anybody! Have a good day! I have real time rescue work to continue which takes away a lot my time to waste online...
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Post by maryellen on Jan 3, 2014 19:37:10 GMT -5
Then dont waste your time online defending yourself or your rescue . Its the new rescues like yours who fall on the dna etc bandwagon... Veteran rescuers dont want to help newbies who jump on the tails of all other newbie rescues who act like your posts and who are treehuggers , they want to help those that truly want to help the breed
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Post by emilys on Jan 3, 2014 20:25:54 GMT -5
If you can't feel confident about identifying a dog likely to be a purebred APBT, then you should not say you're in the "pit bull rescue" business. Believe me, there is NO other rescue for a purebred dog that engages in this kind of weirdness. Can you imagine a border collie rescue that would accept the naming of aussies, shelties, english shepherds as "border collies" .... just because 99% of the world can't tell the difference? The nonsense that you can't tell a purebred dog without seeing a pedigree or having a DNA test comes from people who actually don't know anything about purebred dogs. And of course from people with an agenda.
If you're an advocate for a breed, then LEARN the breed and KNOW the breed.
If you believe there's a purebred APBT and you can identify it, then call the dogs that are APBTs by that name, and call everything else a 'mixed breed" dog.
Otherwise, stop riding the bizarrely fashionable "pit bull -- which is any dog we want to call a dog" bandwagon and call yourself what you ARE: a rescue for any dog.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 13, 2014 14:37:39 GMT -5
Hey Eric....well, thanks for clarifying, although I'm still really confused about what exactly you are trying to accomplish re: your breed disclaimer but I think we are kind of on the same page in that we don't want to call just anything a "pit bull". I do disagree that Pit Bull rescues can't ID or claim they are rescuing/placing Pit Bulls. Every other purebred dog rescue on the planet can ID pull rescue and place their breed of choice and don't have to mislabel them or claim they are a "such and such type" and not an actual representation of their breed. As far as reaching out instead of slamming. I've gone above and beyond trying to work with other rescues, and they all "know better" and don't want to work with other groups, instead assuming they know everything and don't want to hear the truth about the breed since it's not so pretty as they new school mindset surrounding "pit bull type dogs". Anyway, maybe we can discuss more. I think we probably are more on the same page then not. Take care. Wow... it's wonderful to browse the internet to find a post admitting not to know another Rescue Organization and then mock them and whatnot (chose the word "mock" since the OP states she doesn't mean to "slam" which is quite debatable... but to each their own). We will also have to disagree regarding those emails. I will not partake in the drama, period.
First, unlike many so-called Rescue Organizations... I will not follow par with the many so-called "Pit Bull" Rescues who have played a huge role in putting the American Pit Bull Terrier where they are today... Unlike many "Pit Bull" Rescues and other rescue groups... I will not call every dog and the mix thereof a Pit Bull. There is only one, the American Pit Bull Terrier, period. The purpose of the "American Rescue Dog" was a temporary "label" while I figured out how to battle the "Pit Bull" label. Today, upwards of 30 different dog breeds and the mixes thereof are being called a "Pit Bull" and I stand firm when I say that is a HUGE part of the problem! The general public, media, lawmakers, and everybody else will remain confused as to what a Pit Bull is. I do not share the same thoughts as the ones stating "Pit Bull is not a breed" that it is a "generalized term grouping a few breeds together" etc... This is the reason I created my disclaimer in which if you delete the "American Rescue Dog" (which for the record has been retracted) is 100% factual and I stand by it 100%. I suppose we should follow par with every other rescue and due to human appeasement and fascination with labeling everything in this world with a label whether it's accurate or inaccurate.
I have never claimed to be a "pure breed" Rescue. Yes, we are a Pit Bull Rescue and yes, we rescue many Pit Bulls. We also have rescued many different Hound Dogs, Boxers, Labs, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, etc... we don't discriminate. In my rescue we hold Education paramount followed closely by Rescue. Without true Education... the rescue part is insufficient. I challenge any "Pit Bull" Rescues claiming to only rescuing purebred American Pit Bull Terriers that are pulling their dogs from the animal shelters. Without having the knowledge or history of that dog, you cannot claim such and I'll call BS every time! The American Pit Bull Terrier shares similar characteristics with several other breeds. Unless you know the parents and lineage... you can't guarantee you rescued an American Pit Bull Terrier solely by their appearance.
No... my website is not complete... the webmaster is MIA and I'm not a true Geek but I do think I've done a great job on the website despite my still having tons of work to do on it... Maybe Mary has forgotten what it's like to start up a rescue and to have a young rescue... it takes times! I won't bother listing the duties of a Rescue Owner... as I could go on forever... I'm busy in real time rescuing dogs that need help. That's what I do... my average Home Inspection lasts 2 hours. We adopt dogs throughout the state of Florida (except for Miami-Dade County). I'm the only one who does the home inspection as I take it very seriously and it is my responsibility for proper placement... my home inspections aren't just an inspection of the premises. It is a huge educational opportunity which I capitalize on... it also allows me to better know the adopters on a personable level. Again, I take it very seriously. My real time rescue endeavors trumps the endless online rescue work that needs to be done. I encourage everybody to volunteer with their local rescues/shelters as Lord knows there is more than enough work to go around.
What I don't understand... is why Veteran Rescue Groups instead of offering to share knowledge, or to reach out, or whatnot... they prefer to bash others... they prefer the drama... they prefer to mock others... and then to get deeper... my conclusion of the "Rescue Community" is... it's broken and broken badly! The evil and hate is extremely heavy... it's very sad.
To anybody that runs across this thread if you have any issues or questions with/about my Rescue Organization, please email me at Eric@PitBullHappenings.com
PS - Please do not take any of the above "text" out of concept... this is in no way meant to be perceived as a negative post nor is it meant to "slam" any others. When I write, I do not write with emotions. "Text" has no emotions. This post is solely meant to set the record straight in respect to my rescue and my website,
PS 2 - And if you truly know who I am... you will quickly realize I am not one to sugar coat anything especially regarding Pit Bulls... Sugar coating too is a huge part of the problem which plagues the so-called "rescue community"...
I stand by my "Breed Disclaimer" 100%
"Visual breed identification has proven to be inaccurate and unreliable! In addition, canine DNA testing is relatively new and none to our knowledge test for the American Pit Bull Terrier (the true Pit Bull) making DNA testing unreliable and inaccurate. The fact is, unless you know the history, lineage/parentage, etc. we shouldn't be labeling the dogs and passing inaccurate info to the adopters, general public, and others. The dogs we rescue from shelters come from an unknown background and most of our owner surrenders we take into our Rescue, the owners are unable to prove their history. Further more, several different breeds share similar characteristics as the American Pit Bull Terrier. Therefore, we are unable to guarantee the predominant and precise breed for our dogs! We will call our Dogs the American Pit Bull Terrier when we know the lineage/history. We judge our Dogs on their own individual behavior and personality!" ~ www.PitBullRescue.com |
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