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Post by Geoff1550 on Jul 12, 2013 7:44:41 GMT -5
I need guidance...We have a 8 year old Beagle, 8 year old Pit mix and a now 4 month old Red Nose Pit. Prior to this morning, there has been no behavioral issues with the dogs beyond the Beagle didn't care to be around the puppy and would bay at him, the puppy would yip playfully. We have free range chickens and no issues with the dogs bothering them, the puppy would occasionally follow them around but no aggression.
This morning, as usual at day break, the puppy would let us know he was ready to leave his crate and begin a new day. I let them out and a half hour later heard a ruckus, Beagle baying, puppy growling ect... Upon investigating, we found the puppy at the door face covered in blood, the Pit mix had blood under his throat and the Beagle was laying in the middle of the yard breathing her last.
We are at a loss about this event and don't know what truly happened. The dogs were all social, even with other dogs of friends visiting. The mix Pit and beagle have always been very friendly (Beagle was the "a" dog)
The puppy has been very social with people and other dogs/animals. He has responded well to training and is a quick learner.
Any guidance/advice is welcome...now to bury a faithful friend.... geoff1200@bellsouth.net
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 12, 2013 8:06:31 GMT -5
Hi Geoff....I am SO SORRY about your Beagle. What a horrible thing to have happened, I am sure you are really grieving over this.
The simple answer is, never leave dogs alone unattended in a yard together. To be honest, this sort of situation is extremely common with Pit Bulls. They may get along for a long time, and then there is a scuffle and unfortunately, Pit Bulls do fight for real as opposed to the bluffing that many other breeds do (posturing, growling, a short scuffle, then it's over). Of course, this horrible situation could have occurred with ANY dog/breeds involved - dogs fight - and sometimes kill each other. But with Pit Bulls, generally this is a pretty predictable situation.
We at RPB, which is a rescue and education org, are very adamant about educating guardians on dog-directed aggression which is common in the breed, and suggest never, ever leaving Pit Bulls unattended with other animals (other dogs, your chickens, etc).
Again, I'm really sorry this happened. RIP to your Beagle.
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 12, 2013 8:11:03 GMT -5
I too, am very soft about this horrific situation. Mary said pretty much what I was going to say. Never ever leave your dogs unattended no matter how well you think they may get along or have gotten along in the past.
Again sorry for your loss. RIP sweet Beagle.
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Post by perseus on Jul 12, 2013 11:31:05 GMT -5
Geoff, I am very sorry for your loss and can very much empathize with what you are going through. Similar circumstances brought me here and it's really a good place to get the real deal about our breed that quite frankly, you will not get on other sites. I wish other circumstances brought you here.
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Post by geoff1200 on Jul 12, 2013 22:11:18 GMT -5
Well folks, had a Sheriffs Dept. Animal Control Officer visit me at my request, She believes a coyote/other killed Daisy. Neither the puppy nor the senior pit mix exhibited aggressive traits nor did either have markings indicative of this kind of attack...Thank God. I will be more vigilant and keep arms nearby. My vet also mirrored the observations of the Sheriff's representative and said coyotes are moving into the area as many have reported sightings. I am sad Daisy gave her life in defense of her territory and wish she could have lived a long and happy life. DAMN coyotes
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 15, 2013 8:06:04 GMT -5
A coyote entered a fenced yard with three dogs? Interesting.
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Post by maryellen on Jul 15, 2013 8:13:37 GMT -5
one coyote wont do that. one will with a small dog, but not 3. a pack yes if they are hungry enough might, but its still questionable.
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 15, 2013 8:22:51 GMT -5
Very interesting theory about the coyote. In any event like you said be sure to stay vigilant!
Also do keep in mind regardless if you have seen the two pits exhibit "aggressive" behaviors towards one another or any other animal I would still recommended to keep them separate if you can not be there to supervise.
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Post by geoff1200 on Jul 15, 2013 8:47:00 GMT -5
Remember original post, dogs were in the house and I let them out just before dawn and the Beagle went full bay mode (the chase) Pit mix has hip issues and is not very fast and the puppy pretty much mirrors what his mentor does. Nearly every morning this happens as the Beagle is forever after squirrels, rabbits, armadillos, etc...
Sheriffs Animal Control officer, the Vet, Humane Society Animal Behaviorists and I even spoke at length with the local university Veterinary School Director with unanimous results. I first suspected the puppy because of the face full of blood and it was pointed out to me there were no wounds to any dog other then Daisy, Vet and Sheriff believed puppy was curious and then rubbed under the pit mix's neck.
I am aware of the perils of having a pit but I also know several people with very well behaved, trained pits and believe there are no BAD dogs, but bad owners. I will exercise vigilance and work on training the pup while monitoring this fine web forum
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 15, 2013 9:05:14 GMT -5
Well, Geoff, I'm glad you are satisfied with the answers you got.
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 15, 2013 9:47:28 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying. For some reason I thought you had a fenced in yard and that the coyote and entered it but then I went back and re-read your initial post. Really scary about the coyotes!!
I have no doubt you are going to exercise vigilance and don't want to sound like a zealot but I know several pit bull owners whose dogs after many years of successfully co-habituating and no prior scuffles have gotten into a fight and an owner returning to one or both dogs dead. I am not a bad owner and my dog is not a bad dog she is however, dog sensitive/dog aggressive so for me it is not an option to leave her with any other animal unsupervised. It is not a risk I am willing to take no matter how well behaved I might think my dogs are of course that is just my humble opinion.
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Post by geoff1200 on Jul 15, 2013 11:25:54 GMT -5
I'm still alittle "spun up" about this and will monitor the boys carefully. This is a very informative source of information and I thank Ya'll for having me.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 15, 2013 11:33:30 GMT -5
I'm sure it was a very upsetting situation, I can't imagine you are "over it" yet.  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 15, 2013 11:33:40 GMT -5
I'm sure it was a very upsetting situation, I can't imagine you are "over it" yet. |
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 15, 2013 12:00:48 GMT -5
I am sure you are still dealing with the aftermath of such a horrific situation. I am glad that the other two dogs are ok.
I do hope you stick around here!
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Post by maryellen on Jul 15, 2013 14:59:22 GMT -5
Coyotes will kill small dogs and puppies cats. Any smallcritters if given a chance.packs have killed adult dogs up here by me . Geoff if u have coyotes fence ur yard as ur pup is at risk. Separate dogs when mot supervising as i dont believe a coyote killed the beagle as if it was a coyote the mooses would have been worse as ur other adult dog would have went nuts moise wise
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Post by maryellen on Jul 15, 2013 15:01:59 GMT -5
Not mooses lol. Noises.
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Post by catstina on Jul 23, 2013 9:39:45 GMT -5
Sorry to hear of your loss. Rest well, Daisy. So scary about the possible coyotes!! I would be weary of letting the dogs out on their own as a four month old puppy would be no match for a pack of coyotes. Definitely be extra vigilant as you said! |
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Post by geoff1200 on Jul 23, 2013 17:40:51 GMT -5
I've seen 1 coyote and it is as large as Turbo, our 8 year old Pit/(Lab?) mix. Could not take a shot as the neighbors house was down range. A neighbor down the street is missing a pair of cats now....
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Post by michele5611 on Jul 23, 2013 18:00:35 GMT -5
Really scary about the coyote. Sounds like you can't be too careful with your animals! Hope the cats are ok!
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