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Post by lpyrbby on Dec 24, 2008 19:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Dec 24, 2008 19:36:40 GMT -5
Insists he's a purebred pit bull?? I beg to differ, too! K, one of my all time favorite things is breed identification so here's my two cents:
Lab x (since everything that resembles this dog is a lab x)
Viszla x...how likely is that?
Simply a mix? Both mom & dad could be true mixes anyway.
As for purebred pitty...coat, tail, eyes, ears, (undershot jaw?) are all very incorrect.
Many times if there is not a predominant breed I want to observe behavior, which can help narrow it down. I've met many a mix who appear to have a noticable predominant breed but behave completely like another. That is more meaningful when trying to rehome them.
This guy is a candidate for an all breed rescue, if you ask me.
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Post by lpyrbby on Dec 24, 2008 19:56:12 GMT -5
The most common opinions I've had are lab mix. These most recent pics look a little ridgeback-ish, minus the ridge.
But...pit bull?
I sent an email back to her letting her know that I honestly wasn't trying to argue with her but that I just didn't see the pit in there. I sent her a couple of pics of Cy since he has "triangle ear" to explain the huge obvious difference in ear sets between the two and the coat. I mentioned him having a "snipey" muzzle too but totally missed the undershot jaw.
Hopefully she'll see what I mean and take into consideration other possibilities for him. There's just NO way he has a chance finding a home with a pit bull rescue...
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Post by coolhandjean on Dec 24, 2008 20:36:37 GMT -5
Looks like some retriever and some hound. I don't really see any "pit bull" myself.
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Dec 24, 2008 20:50:17 GMT -5
That's funny, Marthina and I had this same conversation today on the phone. About how people just don't understand why we turn dogs away when they aren't pit bulls or pitty enough. But they don't understand that the people who come to us are looking for bully dogs. This guy would probably have a great chance in an all breed, if he's sound. I'm kicking myself that I totally missed Rhodies...  . I see the physical similarities but really, what're the chances?? LOL He's a run-of-the-mill guy and certainly not a dog I would consdier listing b/c the folks who come to us aren't looking for a dog like this. |
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Post by RealPitBull on Dec 29, 2008 16:29:54 GMT -5
First thing that popped into my head was Rhodie. I also see possibility of Viszla. Pit Bull? Not so much. DEF not purebred.
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Post by RealPitBull on Dec 29, 2008 16:30:39 GMT -5
It's so funny. Some people seem to go OUT of their way to label something a Pit Bull when it is absolutely not warranted. OTHERS seem to go out of their way to AVOID labeling the obvious!
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Post by bubsy on Dec 29, 2008 17:25:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say Lab mix...or just mixed mixed breed LOL, like my Murph. Pretty dog, though. Ok, y'all mentioned the undershot bite...now I know that's a fault, but Daisy is undershot. Think that could mean she's mixed w/something else?
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Post by RealPitBull on Dec 29, 2008 18:13:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say Lab mix...or just mixed mixed breed LOL, like my Murph. Pretty dog, though. Ok, y'all mentioned the undershot bite...now I know that's a fault, but Daisy is undershot. Think that could mean she's mixed w/something else? Daisy looks purebred to me. An undershot jaw can happen in any breed. Pit Bulls are bred down from bulldogs - notorious for undershow jaws. |
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Post by bubsy on Dec 29, 2008 18:29:57 GMT -5
Daisy looks purebred to me. An undershot jaw can happen in any breed. Pit Bulls are bred down from bulldogs - notorious for undershow jaws. Ok cool...not that it would make a diff to me :-) I happen to think her underbite is cute as hell. I need to get a picture of her smile...she is a serious smiler, and you can really get a good look at her underbite that way LOL. |
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Dec 29, 2008 19:53:38 GMT -5
Both of mine have undershot jaws, Jazz' is more prominent. Faults such as this are results from genetics, not determined by being breed crosses, specifically. I think it gives 'em character.  Regarding rescues and shelters mislabelling breed mixes (or even purebred dogs) there's a particular "no-kill" shelter in my area and the director drives me up the wall with this. He doesn't have a very good grasp on breeds and often refers to huge breed books, the ones which have breeds which are extremely rare or not even seen outside of their native countries. He finds any similarity and will put some off-the-wall breed on kennel cards in order to make the dog seem more interesting or intriguing. Once he asked a friend of mine who was there look at a dog she may pull into rescue what she thought a dog's breed was. My friend is in Chessie rescue and the dog was VERY much a chocolate Lab. But he insisted that he would put Chessie on the kennel card in order to make him more interesting. The problem is that he is so focused on appearance, he doesn't even consider breed specific temperaments, tendancies and requirements or the downsides of certain breeds which some people are not prepared for. Even my Chessie rescue friend knows the breed so well and admittedly states they are simply not for everyone and they are certainly not Labs. It's misleading to the public to misidentify the dogs and call them something else and it's not fair to the dog. I see a very high number of returns with certain groups around my area and I really think this has something to do with it. The Jones family is intrigued by a dog dubbed one breed and go home with a dog which behaves very much differently than what they expected and it's chalked up to behavioral issues with no regard to breed needs. Plus, the people who mislabel pit bulls as something "fluffier" are sending a dog to a home which may be completely unprepared for discrimination, resulting in returning the dog or being unable to keep it due to landlord, homeowners insurance or from not being prepared to deal with public reaction. |
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Post by lpyrbby on Dec 29, 2008 21:08:55 GMT -5
Want another one? The pictures suck since they were taken with a camera phone but, I'm sure you guys will see what I see...which isn't pit..   Now, this one she says is a mix, and she knows it. But, she does shepherd rescue and doesn't want to keep a spot filled with a dog she "can't" adopt out (sounds like us huh?). She told me earlier on the phone that she's a pit mix and when I asked her with what else maybe, what does she say? Lab. lol So, now I need to find a pleasant way to tell her I can't help this dog either. Grr... Epidemic much huh? |
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Dec 30, 2008 1:00:04 GMT -5
Oh my, Alicia! This woman seriously is grasping at straws, isn't she?? It's like she's trying to get someone with some knowledge to say *maybe*, just *maybe* there is some pit bull in there, a smidgin...a hair...
Unfortunately this particular dog has a few things going against him right off the bat:
Big...black...and looks like just about every other dog in shelters.
People contact us with dogs which they claim are pit bulls or pb x's and when we get pictures sometimes the dog doesn't remotely resemble a pit bull.
Recently a lady emailed us with "1/4 English bulldog" in the subject line. How she knew this, I have no idea b/c she found the dog as a stray. But the pictures showed some sort of husky mix. ?
How I respond is to basically (and briefly) explain that in our experience, dogs which do not resemble pit bulls (or in our case the other "bully" & power breeds) will not gain interest with our group. I suggest other all-breed rescues and leave it at that.
We have listed dogs which are not pit bulls but usually it's only when one of our volunteers has some how been suckered into fostering something or one of us help out a dog personally, or close dog people friends. We know their chances are lower but since we have the capability to list and promote them, we do.
We have one dog courtesy listed now which is a GSD/Rottie x to our best guess for another all-breed rescue but once he's adopted or removed from our listings, we'll be nipping that in the bud.
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Post by lpyrbby on Dec 30, 2008 7:26:05 GMT -5
This last one was actually a different woman entirely with a Sheperd rescue. It's kinda a long story how she came into possession of the dog but it was under the pretense that she needed rehab which this girl says she doesn't. The girl seems to think it was just a way for the shelter to get the dog out of there and now the pooch is taking up space where her odds of getting adopted out are slim too.
I sent the girl an email back last night letting her know that I didn't see any pit bull and that we'd have just as much trouble placing her as a lab as she'd have trouble placing a pit bull. She understood so we're working on options for other groups to get her moved out.
I'm still trying to figure out what made this girl think the dog was a pit mix...
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Dec 30, 2008 13:22:08 GMT -5
Has she contacted any Lab rescues?
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Post by amspits2007 on Dec 30, 2008 13:45:59 GMT -5
I see lab and Rottie in her. She is definitly a pretty dog no matter what she is.
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Post by lpyrbby on Dec 30, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
There are two in our area and I gave her the means to get in contact with them. I haven't heard any more about this last pooch today yet.
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Post by valliesong on Dec 30, 2008 14:39:01 GMT -5
The first one looks like a beagle mix to me, but of course beagle mixes are very common here so that would be very likely. I would maybe just call her a hound mix. She does look a bit vizsla as well. I don't really see the RR.
The second one looks like most of the "purebred" labs we see around here, from the backyard breeders and puppy mills.
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Jan 3, 2009 20:08:11 GMT -5
Yeah, looks like a field-bred Lab rather than the English or conformation bred Labs.
The lab pictured is pretty much what we see everywhere around here. It's rare to see a nice, blockhead, stout, otter tailed Lab.
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