maryc
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Post by maryc on Jan 12, 2009 20:48:20 GMT -5
I feel that *something* must be done about these registries which offer papers and pedigrees on anything with four legs which is simply a selling point. Those in the know understand that a registered dog can be anything from a genetic, incorrect, unsound lab experiement to a sound, high quality, stable and correct specimen of the breed. But to the layman...registration papers are gold. NOW you've hit one of my raw nerves. I had a discussion with a lady at work the other day (I use that term loosely) when Marthina brought the puppy that she is fostering in to have some socialization with lots of different people. This lady came up all ohhhing and aweing that she loves pit bulls and has a "red nose" (another irrititant that I will save for a different thread) at home who is such a love. I said oh really, she said yes, he weighs 120 lbs though. I (because I can only keep my mouth shut for so long) said, well he must be mixed with something to be that big, No, he is a "purebred" I have "papers" on him, I tried to say (maybe not sooo nicely) that the standard for pit bulls should not be much over 60 so to have a dog that big there has to be something else in it's background. She once again said well I have papers and walked off in a huff....  I have no doubt she has "papers" so how do we solve that problem without starting over from scratch? |
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 13, 2009 10:44:13 GMT -5
I think education is the most important thing....educating on the more reputable registries, and exposing the Continental Kennel Clubs of the world. The problem is, anyone can start a registry and begin registering dogs. How do we 'control' registries?
Jessica hit the nail on the head - dogs aren't worth anything to our society, they get thrown away by the millions each year. If I was shopping around for a dog from a breeder, I might have to wait a few months *at least* or longer before I ever got a dog because the breeders I'd support wouldn't be pumping pups out left and right, but would have carefully planned litters with waiting lists. Imagine if ALL puppy/dog buyers had to be placed on waiting lists because the demand was more than the supply? In my dreams!
We are constantly fed the message that *if you want a dog, you just go out and buy one*, no responsibility necessary. We are told by TV personalities, if your dog has a behavior problem, all you have to do is pin the dog or jerk it around a little. We are told by society that you don't have to have any education on dog care and behavior to own a dog. We are basically told that dogs are there for our amusement, our enjoyment, and when we tire of them, we can just toss them away.
The general mindset of society needs to be changed. There are so many issues intertwined with bad breeding, and there won't be any simple solution.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 13, 2009 12:00:55 GMT -5
Has anyone seen this doc? I haven't been able to find it, yet. The source is linked to here: www.dogmagaz ine.net/archives /1668/pedigree- dogs-exposed- film-maker- hits-out- at-animal- rights-extremist s/ Pedigree Dogs Exposed Film Maker Hits Out at Animal Rights Extremists January 8, 2009 by Freelance Writers The makers of Pedigree Dogs Exposed, the BBC documentary film that led to the BBC withdrawing from televising Crufts Dog Show in the UK are  with PETA for jumping on the film’s bandwagon. www.dogmagaz ine.net/archives /1668/pedigree- dogs-exposed- film-maker- hits-out- at-animal- rights-extremist s/ January 8, 2009 by Freelance Writers The makers of Pedigree Dogs Exposed, the BBC documentary film that led to the BBC withdrawing from televising Crufts Dog Show in the UK are with PETA for jumping on the film’s bandwagon. Earlier this week, PETA called for the US networks to stop televising Westminster Dog Show, citing the BBC film as evidence of unacceptable deformity and disease in pedigree dogs. Pedigree Dogs Exposed was the result of two years’ careful research. This film highlighted serious health and welfare concerns in pedigree dogs that many experts agree need to be addressed urgently. However, the filmmakers have no connection to PETA and are idealogically opposed to PETA’s aims. “I am horrified that PETA is using the film to further its own, warped agenda,” says Jemima Harrison, of Passionate Productions, which made the film for the BBC. “Our film is about animal welfare, not animal rights. “PETA’s animal welfare record is appalling. It kills 97 per cent of the dogs that come to its shelters and admits its ultimate aim is to rid the world of what it calls the “domestic enslavement” of dogs as either pets or working dogs. “In stark contrast, and the reason we made the film, is that we believe pedigree dogs are of tremendous value to society and that something needs to be done to arrest the damage caused by decades of inbreeding and selection for ‘beauty’. The film is a passionate call for urgent reform to save them before it is too late. To do that, there needs to be urgent reform of breeding practices and dog shows. “PETA is a bunch of crackpots who do not care about anything but publicity and making money. They have not bothered to contact us - and, indeed, if they did we would make it very clear we do not want their support. It devalues and marginalises a film that raises awareness to serious issues that need to be addressed, and quickly.” |
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Post by bubsy on Jan 13, 2009 21:47:09 GMT -5
If I was shopping around for a dog from a breeder, I might have to wait a few months *at least* or longer before I ever got a dog because the breeders I'd support wouldn't be pumping pups out left and right, but would have carefully planned litters with waiting lists. Imagine if ALL puppy/dog buyers had to be placed on waiting lists because the demand was more than the supply? In my dreams! Yup, I've never purchased a dog from a breeder...and the breeders I have picked out...i'm not even sure they'd let me have a puppy LOL. The Berner breeder I posted earlier...a lot of people want her dogs, I doubt I'd get one. Or maybe I'd have to sit on a waiting list for a few years :-) That's ok with me, I'm very good at waiting. I always fall in love with rescues, so I may never get a dog from a breeder..and that's just fine with me. |
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Post by bully81 on Jan 25, 2009 11:21:42 GMT -5
Thank u so much for posting this info RealPitbull! I want to purchase an APBT puppy in the near future and am looking for reputable breeders. Appreciate the info  -Lauren |
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Post by mcgregor on Jan 25, 2009 13:16:30 GMT -5
I advocate adopting instead of buying.....thousands of pitbulls in the shelters are awaiting death or the sheer chance of someone wanting one to love and cherish...... An older pitty is preferable to a young pup as its genes are out in the open and you know its an ok pitty........if indeed a breeder is reputable then there is a chance the pups will be reputable also........but to give a dog that is laying in the shelters pining for a home , his own place in your heart iwould be a GODSEND......
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Jan 26, 2009 9:27:33 GMT -5
My current foster dog is an ADBA registered, purebred APBT. Backyard breeder, irresponsible owners, purebred in a rescue...
There are purebred dogs in rescues all over the nation. Not only that, you can find practically exactly what you want and if you go through a reputable pb rescue, you'll have a great idea of temperament.
So many people think puppies are clean slates and it is just not true! We have some fabulous young adults and mature adults as most rescues do.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 29, 2009 15:49:35 GMT -5
The only reasons I'd go to a breeder are two:
1) I enjoy showing in conformation
2) Some of the breeds I love are quite rare and I would *most likely* choose to purchase froma breeder if I ever went the route of brining one into my home.
Other than that, rescue all the way!
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Post by bamapitbullmom on Jan 29, 2009 18:08:01 GMT -5
I agree, Mary just in this case what's done is done and even though Andrea hasn't brought this puppy home, it's obvious that she's going to do what she can to ensure she does everything she can possible to help Lily develop to be the best she can be. Like I said before, I acquired one dog from a breeder and researched for years before I decided on which one and which breeding. It took that long to convince my father I was capable and knowledgeable plus commited enough to own a Rottweiler as a teenager. He is very nervous around power breeds ever since I was bitten seriously at age 5 by a Cat (dog, not feline). My daughter (8) wants a Papillion. I miss the show ring and considered and have spoken in length to several well-known Pap breeders and considered going that route but because the show circuit is wide down here, we are focused on rescue Paps now. Agility will be her thing so it won't matter where the lil one comes from. I just feel that we all start somewhere and if I were heavily questioned after I have made a decision which obviously, would make me emotionally invested by folks with more experience and years under their belts, it may turn me off to being receptive to the right people in the end. That's all I'm saying.  |
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Post by mcgregor on Jan 29, 2009 19:06:53 GMT -5
We can all learn from each other, whether we deliver true facts or not albeit we correct each other, that is how we learn from our mistakes and show the world the proper conclusion..........This is a great pitbull website that is all pitbull talk and not personal dramas; I would love to see this website grow with sophistication and reach out to those that are not knowledgeble with the breed.
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I look forward to learning much here