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Post by valliesong on Sept 30, 2009 22:33:35 GMT -5
I am putting this here because they have pit bulls in their care as well, but feel free to move to another section if you think it is appropriate. Saw this "rescue" while I was online today. I'm not sure what to think. It does say the animals are altered, but the way they list the prices really bothers me. Does anyone have any experience with them? Other opinions? www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL570.htmlwww.napierfamilyfarm.comFor example, look at this listing: www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14109075More About Georgia 2 lbs $499 20-week-old Chi-a-Poo or Poo-Chi (CKC reg. Chihuahua mom/CKC reg. Toy Poodle dad) "Chi-a-poos tend to be extremely light shedders which make them very good dogs for allergy sufferers." Black with White Chest/Feet Female - Will be Very Small 2 lbs. at this time - (donated to the Sanctuary all the way from Georgia! "Designer Dogs" not selling as expected & hoped for) $499 adoption donation. Brothers Fraizer & Jasper also available). VERY Smart & Loving! 1st & 2nd Set of Puppy Shots. Friendly & Sweet, Loves to Be Held & Played With, Microchipped, Started on Crate Training. Includes: Spaying at the Sanctuary's Vet in Bradenton When Big Enough, Training Video, Puppy Pack with Brochures, Food Samples and Coupons, 1st Month of Heartworm Prevention & Flea Prevention, 30-Day Gift from the Sanctuary of Pet Insurance for Unforseen Illnesses. (My adoption donation includes everything listed above and will help ALL my other friends at the Sanctuary! Estimated Savings to Adopter: $175 spaying, $50 1st shots, $50 2nd set shots, $45 microchipping + $20 for FREE Microchip Registration, $8.95 Gift Pet Insurance, $35 heartworm test/prevention!) |
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Post by DiamondTiger on Oct 1, 2009 5:47:52 GMT -5
My opinion... they're selling. It doesn't cost any more to vet a chi-pom than it does to vet a lab. (at least in my experience) I've never vetted a chi-pom but I've paid bills for small dogs and large breeds and cats and horses and... and... and... A dog is a dog is a dog. I've heard of some vets charging a little more for larger breeds or "aggressive breeds" but not so much that I'd raise the adoption fee for any reason.
It really irks my nerves to see so called rescues taking advantage of and exploiting mutts and PEOPLE because some idiot decided one day to cross a lab and a poodle (or whatever) on purpose and call it a "labradoodle" (or insert "designer breed" here).
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Post by loverocksalot on Oct 1, 2009 6:16:37 GMT -5
Well just the fact that the price is in the headline I immediately say selling. I never saw that before on petfinder. Sometimes have seen a general adoption fee but usually not in description of dog. Usually fees would be listed under the organizations description. I also think that is a bit expensive for adoption from rescue fee. But I am not sure on that. Geez when I adopted Rocky fee was like 50.00 plus 100 cash deposit that I would bring him back to be fixed. I was given that 100 back. I know real cheap but they have a vet does for free I think. Most of the local shelters here get about 150.00 which includes altering. However I think the fees may be less for small breeds if I remember correctly.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 1, 2009 8:01:23 GMT -5
Moving to Issues board, to get a discussion on rescue fees/expenses, and 'adoption fee' vs 'selling'.
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Post by emilys on Oct 1, 2009 9:31:15 GMT -5
it's a very fine line. I'm not sure where I would draw it. Just because a shelter is a nonprofit org, or a government entity, doesn't mean what they're doing ISNT "selling".
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Post by valliesong on Oct 2, 2009 3:11:46 GMT -5
They have purebred pups listed the same way for similar prices. I know a lot of shelters have started charging more for pups than adults, and also a few local ones that charge more for certain breeds, particularly pups, but not to the same degree. And I've never seen shelters/rescues advertise prices/fees quite that way, and really push the registration papers.
Emily is right that it is a fine line. It also varies geographically. Around here, I find anything over $100 to be a bit excessive for a senior dog, yet I have seen groups charging $250 and more for geriatric dogs with ongoing health issues. I see $250 as acceptable for pups, assuming pediatric S/N and all has been done, but sometimes see fees of $400, which I feel is excessive.
Shelter fees here almost always run less than rescues, but don't include HW testing or any of the "extras." Shelters usually charge $150 for pups, $100 for adults, and $50 for seniors.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 2, 2009 11:37:38 GMT -5
I find the way they list dogs on their site, VERY odd/concerning. "Summer special reduced adoption rates"??? And $499 sounds a little excessive to me. Actually, a LOT excessive. I dunno, something just rubs me the wrong way about the whole thing. The wording they use sounds too much like those of an online puppy peddler.
An adoption FEE isn't a donation, either, even though they are calling it that. It's income for the rescue, and they are providing 'product' for that fee. Which is why as a whole, rescue groups charging extra high fees coupled with a high turn-over rate, is usually suspect. Because it becomes apparent they are using the dogs as a product to make money off of. I think most ethical rescues will tell you that the adoption fees they charge do not cover the costs of the dog having been in their program.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 2, 2009 11:39:13 GMT -5
Also notice how the Pit Bull mixes they have on that site are being peddled for so much less than some of the other dogs. I wonder what this group's screening process is.
And here are their placement rates:
35 ANIMALS PLACED INTO NEW HOMES FOR THE YEAR 2005
152 ANIMALS PLACED INTO NEW HOMES FOR THE YEAR 2006
167 ANIMALS PLACED INTO NEW HOMES FOR THE YEAR 2007
147 ANIMALS PLACED INTO NEW HOMES FOR THE YEAR 2008
186 ANIMALS PLACED INTO NEW HOMES FOR THE YEAR 2009 (updated October 01, 2009)
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Post by loverocksalot on Oct 2, 2009 12:55:34 GMT -5
WOW all I can say is more power to em taking care of all those animals.
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Post by pitunia on Oct 2, 2009 17:36:13 GMT -5
It looks like a place that overstock is "adopted" out as rescue from breeders. We have several "rescue" groups in St. Louis that are connected to puppy mills.
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Post by SunraysPitBulls on Oct 3, 2009 20:55:00 GMT -5
Yeah this is disturbing.... Another rescue very close to me just got shut down, animal control has been busy the past few months  Anyway this woman was going to high kill shelters and taking litters of puppies at a time. She would come back and have 10-15 puppies in her home along with her 5 dogs. She would give them distemper and dewormer and that was it. No vet visit, no stool sample checks, nothing. She even had antibiotics from who knows where. She would find homes QUICK because they were puppies and then go down to the shelters and pick up more! All by herself, no volunteers or foster homes, these pups didnt even go outside because she didnt want to get caught. In a tiny house, row home.....all the pups were penned in the kitchen.... She would not alter these dogs, and then turn around and the adoption fee was $175.00. She had a litter of pit bulls at one point, no home checks, no vet checks nothing. It is a shame......And rescues like this look horrible, and when the animal control steps in most the time the conditions are not up to standards....And this is what people remember.... BLAH |
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