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Post by windowdog on Apr 24, 2008 15:25:49 GMT -5
All this talk on bloodlines and faithfulness to the standards of the breed has got me wondering, can you visually tell what bloodline dogs come from? This is just idle curiousity. One of the downsides of rescues is you never really know anything about their background for certain. www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8051285That is my pup, none of the pics are very good ones of her. She was so skittish when we got, she is so much more expressive now that she's settled in. I've got some pics on my camera, I'll upload and post when I get around to it. The vet says he's 100% sure she's a pure pit. If you can tell that on looks I wonder if you can tell her bloodline background as well. Anyways I know Pits are supposed to conform to a standard, but even with "perfect" pits is there enough variation in their looks to tell what their pedigree was? Again I'm pretty clueless as far as AKC type activities go, so sorry if this is a dumb question.
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 24, 2008 17:10:03 GMT -5
Not a dumb question at all! I get asked this a lot, actually. The short answer is....yes and no!! I know, not very helpful. Although certain bloodlines may have a bit of a distinct look due to close in/linebreeding (family members/related dogs bred together) for a period of time, ideally NO bloodline should deviate so much as to be readily distinguishable from all other APBTs. What's more apparent is the different looks of the dogs from various registries, or dogs bred for different purposes. ADBA and/or gamebred dogs tend to be rangier/lighter and more athletic. UKC dogs tend to be a bit thicker, less rangey, but still refined. AmStaffs (AKC) tend to be the heaviest/bigger-boned of the various 'types'. Sometimes there is an overlap of registry "type" - or a blurring of lines. There are dogs that are both UKC and AKC that, if you didn't know what registry/bloodline they were, you'd have a hard time figuring it out. And there is also that same overlap with ADBA/UKC dogs. I'm actually working on an article that will help distinguish the different registries/'types' (I put 'types' in parens because there really is only ONE APBT (barring the AKC AmStaff), but there is of course obvious variation, because of the diff. registries and standards, etc. The thing about lot of dogs ending up in rescue is that they are 'scatterbred' - in other words, no real care was taken to linebreed, or follow any specific 'recipe' to create a uniform, correct dog. Lots of people have Pit Bulls (some don't even have any papers at all), and breed them with a friend's or family member's Pit Bull - crossing of bloodlines that maybe aren't compatible/complimentary, have no continuity in pedigree. So you have a big mish mosh of a dog, who isn't necessarily 'bad', but cannot really be placed in any specific category, and isn't a dog of a specific 'line'. Tomorrow I'll try to post some examples of bloodlines that have been linebred and inbred for generations to have produced uniform, reliably conformed offspring - with their own unique look. For now I'll leave you some dogs I like, the FraJa line, which are actually AmStaffs. I always thought they had a pretty 'typical' Fraja look. www.matrixamstaffs.com/FrajaECRuffRiderch.jpgaltacarya.com/bucks-layla_pliki/fraja-gold-standard1.jpgwww.needfulthings.se/FrajaECGoldenboy.jpg
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 25, 2008 8:45:36 GMT -5
Another example of a specific bloodline or 'strain' of Pit Bulls with a unique look: The Old Family Red/Red Nose dogs, or dogs down from those very old lines. The OFRN dogs are my personal favorite and they are really in a class by themselves. In fact, HERE is a legitimate example of a specific strain of Pit Bulls that fanciers within the breed were looking to have recognized as a DISTINCT APBT VARIETY (i.e. have them compete in their own classes at UKC dog shows). It never happened, but it just goes to show how unique these dogs were and are. There are some gorgeous dogs on this page from Amberlite Kennels - I think the pix show good examples of the specific 'look' of the OFRN dogs. www.amberlitekennels.com/ruckus.htmlPLEASE NOTE: NOT all dogs with red/red nose coloring are OFRN! This is a color that appears in the breed with regularity. HOWEVER, the OFRN line which was TIGHTLY LINEBRED produced dogs of the red/red nose color. There is also a common error that people make about any dog with red/red nose coloring - this is NOT A specific "type" of Pit Bull!!!!! It is JUST a color. Some dogs WITH this coloring are from a specific, highly regarded bloodline (OFRN), but as I've explained already, they are still just Pit Bulls and compete against other Pit Bulls of different coloring, and should not be viewed as a 'special type' of Pit Bull. Here is an example of my own OFRN who passed away 3 years ago (BEST DOG I EVER OWNED!!!!!!!)
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Post by AmyJo27 on Apr 25, 2008 10:59:55 GMT -5
Beautiful dog Mary!!!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 25, 2008 11:54:32 GMT -5
Thank you, he was my heart dog and I miss him every day.
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