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Post by maryellen on Feb 22, 2010 17:48:00 GMT -5
ok, pretend he is a 8 week old pup and re housebreak him that way.. take him out after he eats,sleeps,drinks,plays and stay out untl he potties, as he is pottying praise or treat him and throw him a party every time
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Post by sugar on Feb 22, 2010 20:08:35 GMT -5
Yep, thats what I'm doing (much to the delight of some neighbors,lol. They must get a kick out of how happy I get when my dog potties)
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Post by sugar on Apr 29, 2010 8:59:52 GMT -5
Chubs hasn't been mouthy once in the past month, so proud of him!! Doing the "Ouch!" and avoid right after as worked wonders. Just wanted to shared  |
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Post by suziriot on Apr 29, 2010 10:34:42 GMT -5
Yay! Good boy, Chubs!  |
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Post by maryellen on Apr 29, 2010 10:37:12 GMT -5
whoohooooo!!!! keep up the good work!!!
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Post by sugar on Apr 29, 2010 11:03:41 GMT -5
Oh, and other than once while on Prednisone (where he was drinking ungodly amounts of water), he's been accident free (well, the peeing and pooping kind...not the setting stuff on fire kind, lol).
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Post by maryellen on Apr 29, 2010 11:32:48 GMT -5
prednisone will make a dog pee like a racehorse.. maybe chubs should go visit the local firemen to learn about fire prevention lol!
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Post by AmyJo27 on Apr 29, 2010 22:56:22 GMT -5
Maybe he could use his excessive urine to aide him in extinguishing fires! LOL!
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Post by bridgeportchicago on Jul 12, 2010 21:45:31 GMT -5
Hi,
This is good information. One question. Zoe (4 months) will go for the shoe laces when walking. Usually can get a toy to distract her, but sometimes she just wants to go for the shoe laces.
Tried the apple bitter spray on the shoes. Minimal success.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks.
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Post by qball80 on Feb 25, 2011 11:14:23 GMT -5
We are trying the OUCH again..It did not work when he was younger but we will give it another go. Found this very interesting www.shirleychong.com/keepers/mindgames.htmlHave just done one OUCH ,he went all confused..Mmm he has gone to his bed... Well we will see. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Feb 25, 2011 14:13:49 GMT -5
OUCH! Works. And even works when 5 years old and feeling like being a mouthy fool.
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Post by fureverywhere on Feb 26, 2011 20:23:22 GMT -5
Someone trained Opheila before we had her so I can't really answer this one but even if you're feeding her a grain of rice her teeth never touch your hand. I don't think mouthing is a good habit to let a dog get into. Maybe like training toddler humans...perhaps pull your hand away immediately and tell pookins firmly with eye contact "No bite!" until he gets the idea. Also provide teething options, chewy toys, ropes, rawhides...
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Post by qball80 on Feb 27, 2011 11:04:39 GMT -5
Just got back from my sisters with Kai & he was a nightmare..jumping up
& mouthing my hands & jumping at my face, I had to put his lead on & put him out side tethered to
the back door..Shouting ouch just
made him mouth more and turning my back on him did not stop him,
he just kept jumping up at my back.
Getting out of the car he just barked at a passing woman..Why now,
He is around 15 months now & has been castrated around 3 months.
Any suggestions..Help.
Around 10 mins ago he was trying to get his ball from under the draws,
My wife told him to sit while she got it for, him as she went in front of him he growled and snapped at her...She
told him go to his bed but he went on barking and growling.
I was watching & I am almost sure he would have gone for her if she had not stepped back from him.
I got up and put him in the kitchen. with his blanket..He has calmed down.
This is just absolutely strange it is as if he has had a personality
transplant.
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Post by loverocksalot on Feb 27, 2011 15:06:30 GMT -5
They do things at different ages different stages.
The Jumping and mouthing could have been to get attention while you were visiting with someone. Sometimes shouting sounds can get them more excited. Try ouching more like a puppy yelps or dont even say ouch YELP like a puppy. And ignore him.
THe ball thing sounds more like resource guarding. Which you have said he has done with food. So it is the same thing. Do the same thing with the toys. Make him go to his spot before you go under something to get his toy. Offer trades when taking the toy away. For now I would take all toys away and refer to NILIF.
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Post by qball80 on Feb 27, 2011 16:51:11 GMT -5
Well I have kept him on the floor bed till now. He is a bit subdued As we always sit with him no the couch together or in turns. The toy was not the ball I noticed it was a Kong food toy.. But still it was a bit more then just guarding...his stance and posture was more threatening..perhaps this is just his assertiveness showing. But a bit of isolation and no comfy couch seems to have put him in his place for now. Will reread the NILIF again.. As for the mouthing will keep on with the ouch but can not make high pitch puppy noises due to damaged vocal cords... Tomorrow is another day...  we will see how he is in the morning. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Feb 27, 2011 17:28:54 GMT -5
Well I have kept him on the floor bed till now. He is a bit subdued As we always sit with him no the couch together or in turns. The toy was not the ball I noticed it was a Kong food toy.. But still it was a bit more then just guarding...his stance and posture was more threatening..perhaps this is just his assertiveness showing. But a bit of isolation and no comfy couch seems to have put him in his place for now. Will reread the NILIF again.. As for the mouthing will keep on with the ouch but can not make high pitch puppy noises due to damaged vocal cords... Tomorrow is another day... we will see how he is in the morning. Since you cant yelp I am not sure what the alternate would be other than ignoring. You dont have to shout the yelp just the highest pitch you can reach might do the trick. |
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Post by maryellen on Feb 27, 2011 17:29:12 GMT -5
some dogs react more to the loud pitched ouch, since that isnt working for him when he gets mouthy put him in a time out, whether leashed to a tie out in the house or crated. he will learn that mouthiness = tie out or crate time
with NILIF its no furniture for a while, not just for a day or two.. at 15 months old he is in the teenage stage and being extra bratty. i would also work on his obedience lessons and teach him new stuff, mind exercise is needed along with physical exercise. i also wouldnt give him any freedom at all, keep him leashed and make him earn everything. as far as the guarding food items, have you tried hand feeding him all his meals ? i would hand feed him for the next month or two, make him sit or down for every morsel. he doesnt sit when you say sit, he doesnt eat. period... try again next feeding time, no sit, no eat.. it should take him a day to realize that he has to EARN everythng
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Post by loverocksalot on Feb 27, 2011 17:45:35 GMT -5
some dogs react more to the loud pitched ouch, since that isnt working for him when he gets mouthy put him in a time out, whether leashed to a tie out in the house or crated. he will learn that mouthiness = tie out or crate time with NILIF its no furniture for a while, not just for a day or two.. at 15 months old he is in the teenage stage and being extra bratty. i would also work on his obedience lessons and teach him new stuff, mind exercise is needed along with physical exercise. i also wouldnt give him any freedom at all, keep him leashed and make him earn everything. as far as the guarding food items, have you tried hand feeding him all his meals ? i would hand feed him for the next month or two, make him sit or down for every morsel. he doesnt sit when you say sit, he doesnt eat. period... try again next feeding time, no sit, no eat.. it should take him a day to realize that he has to EARN everythng I was waiting for you to chime in Maryellen as you have been the one to help me with this way back when. I thought qball was having success with the food thing by feeding by hand then working up to Kai staying on spot till command to eat. Maybe going to fast though. @qball it should be weeks of each step at least or months whatever it takes. No couch or beds for a long time. In my opinion 15 months is young to have couch privileged or people beds. Rocky is 5 and still has limited couch privilege. I give him couch time when I feel he has earned it. Once he starts abusing it and trying to spend too much time on couch or reluctantly getting off when told that is it for the time being. |
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Post by qball80 on Feb 28, 2011 6:14:52 GMT -5
The Feeding is still being done by hand, not every meal but once a day & he is always in the sit position. It is getting hard to exercise Kai due to his damaged pelvis & bad dysplasia, The vet said only 10 minuets a day twice if needed & he has to lose weight, so we have cut down on his food & treats. I think we have spoiled him due to his bad past. prob like we all do..lol Pleas do not think we are ever going to give up on Kai he is with us for life, for better or worse.. It is the aggression.. I am fed up with people telling me just to give him a belt and chuck him in the yard. I have seen their dogs & it is pitiful thing to see. I am going to put kai out of the room when he starts to mouth & if he shows any aggression as it seemed to calm him last night. I think he hates not being with us. I think you are right about wanting attention when we was at my sisters, he seems to start when ewe all sit down and talk excluding him & he does not like it.. made since when you replied last night. Will have to work on visiting people.. Thanks for all your help..also listening |
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Post by loverocksalot on Feb 28, 2011 7:21:30 GMT -5
When I have visitors Rocky acts up and starts doing puppy behaviors like stealing and chewing up the things he stole. Somewhere down the road he probably got rewarded for the behavior. Could have been as simple as laughing at him and chasing him to take away what he stole. Possibly same happened with Kai. Even though you did not consider it reward he did. Like he got the attention even if negative. You stopped talking with friends and responded to him.
And for now I would not use the word aggression sounds like he is resource guarding. Each time you talked of him growling was taking away something he believes is his. I suppose it is a form of aggression but it is not uncommon and can be easily handled.
I dont remember but where and when did you get him?
Oh and as for exercise does not have to be physical exercise can be mind games. That really tires them out.
Hiding things to find.
Buster cubes
box game
Learning new tricks and shaping exercises
on your terms not his and take away buster cube and put it away when play is done.
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we will see how he is in the morning.