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Post by OurPack on May 30, 2008 12:40:56 GMT -5
I saw somewhere that says that you can use the clicker just as the reinforcer.
From what I know you're not suppose to ever click without giving the primary reinforcer (food) right after the click. What I read (and I don't remember where I read it) said that there were some studies being dong on this.
Has anyone seen studies like this anywhere? If so, I would like to learn more about it. Marthina
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Post by valliesong on May 30, 2008 17:28:11 GMT -5
I thought from the books I've read that you always feed treats or other reinforcers in the beginning, when you are training that the clicker is the same as praise, and then gradually you can start using the clicker alone to shape complex behaviors and only reward at the end.
ETA: I use praise/a verbal marker because I could never keep track of a clicker!
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Post by RealPitBull on May 31, 2008 9:18:01 GMT -5
Marthina......yes, you're always supposed to pair the click with the food otherwise you lose the value of the clicker as a secondary reinforcer. I believe it was Jesus Rosales-Ruiz who was at least involved in these studies. I don't have the official results, but they did show that clicking without treating after every click had a detrimental effect on the efficacy of the clicker. Here is a little snippet about the research, but if I find more I'll post:
Effects of Unconditioned and Conditioned Reinforcement Ratios on the Behavior of Dogs: 1 to 1 vs. 1 to 2 (Applied Behavior Analysis)
KATHRYN KALAFUT (University of North Texas ) Michelle Lamancusa (University of North Texas ) Jesús Rosales-Ruiz (University of North Texas)
Abstract: In the clicker training community it is a common practice to deliver a click (conditioned Sr+) and a treat (unconditioned Sr+) after every correct behavior. At the same time, some advocate the delivery of several clicks before a treat is delivered. There is much controversy over whether there is a difference in the effects of these two procedures. Recent research, however, has shown that the ratio has an effect on both the topography and frequency of behavior (Dunham, et. al., and Wennmacher, et. al., ABA 2005). Dunham at. al., studied the effects using a free-operant under FR1 as a baseline and Wennmacher, et. al., used two restricted operants under a FR1 schedule. The present research investigates the effects of these different reinforcement ratios using a free operant under a FR2. A multiple baseline across three dogs with reversals was used. After a baseline was established with a FR 2 schedule (clicking and treating after every two correct responses), each of the dogs correct responses was followed by a click, but reinforcement was only given after two correct responses were completed. Results are in progress.
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Post by RealPitBull on May 31, 2008 9:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by OurPack on May 31, 2008 10:23:36 GMT -5
Thanks Mary.
THAT's where I saw it, on Click L.
Ok, interesting. This study will be interesting as it continues.
Marthina
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