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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 15, 2011 8:01:35 GMT -5
Bless the person who was able to sort through all this garbage on the show and put together this montage. I have been telling people for ages that Millan kicks dogs and I'm met with blank stares or "but I've never seen him do that" comments.
Please note two things: WHERE he kicks the dog (the fleshy, delicate area where there are NO ribs to protect the internal organs) and the reactions of the dogs which indicate discomfort and pain (startling, stopping the behavior, tucking tail/body).
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2011 9:50:00 GMT -5
I know he does it, but this leaves me sitting with my jaw hanging open. I don't even know what to say. That poor bulldog, has CM never heard of "Leave IT"!?Repeatedly kicking out at a freeking 15 pound dog. Attacking it for doing it's job (that's a far as I got). This should be shown to every CM worshipper.
You notice the camera crew makes every attempt to hide it, but they just don't know when it's coming and can't every time.
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I just watched the whole thing.
O.M.F.G.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 15, 2011 10:10:42 GMT -5
It's pretty bad. I'm sending this to everyone, and will post on FB later. I hope everyone who sees it, shares it.
If you think kicking dogs is ok, than I guess you won't have a problem with this footage. If you don't approve of kicking dogs, I don't see how you could POSSIBLY be ok with Cesar Millan after watching this.
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Post by catstina on Mar 15, 2011 13:20:10 GMT -5
What people tell me is, "It's not a kick, it's a 'tap' to snap the dogs out of 'the zone.'" Really? Would it be ok for him to "tap" your kids to get them out of "the zone" when they are misbehaving?
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 15, 2011 13:25:26 GMT -5
He "taps" that one bulldog pretty hard.  It's punishment pure and simple, meant to stop behavior. It has to be severe enough to get dogs who are in an amped-up state to stop, cower, and reorient. People who think those are just "taps" to get a dog's attention have no understanding of learning or behavior and should defer to people who actually have some education on the subject. |
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Post by bluetrees on Mar 15, 2011 20:22:47 GMT -5
This video is no longer available due to copyrite issues. D@mn.
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Post by loverocksalot on Mar 15, 2011 20:29:42 GMT -5
yeah damn.
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Post by loverocksalot on Mar 15, 2011 20:31:30 GMT -5
found this one is it the same?
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Post by suziriot on Mar 15, 2011 20:33:34 GMT -5
Yeah. Copyright issues. Riiiiiight. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Mar 15, 2011 20:38:45 GMT -5
Try the one I posted it shows him kicking dogs I want to kick his as*. I had a trainer who hurt my Rocky. That SOB I want to choke that guy. And I am in no way a violent person but screw with my Rocky and well I dont need to tell you guys.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 15, 2011 21:00:18 GMT -5
Yes, same one!
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Post by melonie on Mar 15, 2011 21:57:00 GMT -5
I've actually seen the bull dog episode. Terrible.
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Post by loverocksalot on Mar 16, 2011 7:20:12 GMT -5
Posted it on my FB got my first Caesar follower changing their view about that little kick thing they have tried but did not like doing it. A tap is one thing what Im seeing is not a tap.
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Post by emilys on Mar 16, 2011 9:54:47 GMT -5
What people tell me is, "It's not a kick, it's a 'tap' to snap the dogs out of 'the zone.'" Really? Would it be ok for him to "tap" your kids to get them out of "the zone" when they are misbehaving? it's not uncommon, or wrong IMO, to use a distraction technique (which may be adversive) to stop an inappropriate behavior .. .such as a dog ramping up to fight. At that point, it's not a "training" issue, it's a safety one. So people use a loud verbal, or escalate to squirt bottles or airhorns or whatever (ok, I had to whack my dogs on the head with a pooper scooper because it was all I had available ??? ). I can't see what's wrong with that... it beats the hell all out of letting the dogs get into a serious fight where nothing you do, short of using a break stick, can separate them. That said, kicking dogs as Cesar does (or did... do we know the dates of these clips? he's supposedly going more positive).. is creepy |
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Post by emilys on Mar 16, 2011 10:24:36 GMT -5
it's still up here
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2011 11:05:17 GMT -5
If a trainer ever did that to my dog, he'd find himself on the ground looking up at me walking away with my dog. It's a kick, plain and simple. No one gets to kick my dogs but me.
Umm, you know what I mean. ;o)
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Post by emilys on Mar 16, 2011 11:25:35 GMT -5
his essential tactic in all the "training" he does is to set the dog up to fail, so he can correct it with a harsh and usually physical, adversive. That's a standard, and oldfashioned, technique, most of us reject in favor of setting the dog up to succeed, and then rewarding it.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2011 11:30:50 GMT -5
his essential tactic in all the "training" he does is to set the dog up to fail, so he can correct it with a harsh and usually physical, adversive. I'm seeing that. I've never seen a show, but I've been looking at clips. I couldn't believe what he did to that wolf hybrid. No decent trainer should ever do that to an animal, instigate bad behavior when there was none, then "correct" it the way he did. Modern day charlatan. |
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Post by bluetrees on Mar 16, 2011 18:21:25 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the new video. I also posted it to my Facebook. Hopefully it touches a few people.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 17, 2011 9:53:22 GMT -5
his essential tactic in all the "training" he does is to set the dog up to fail, so he can correct it with a harsh and usually physical, adversive. That's a standard, and oldfashioned, technique, most of us reject in favor of setting the dog up to succeed, and then rewarding it. Ding ding ding! Excellent summarization. |
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