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Post by tank on Sept 30, 2009 17:20:54 GMT -5
Why would you put a choke chain on your dog but never a prong collar? Choke chains have a much higher risk of injury from what I have read and hurts the dog way more. I am not advocating prong collars at all, since reading this thread and many others I have decided against any sort of "choke chain" including prongs.
I don't want to sound rude but I have to say it, if you work at a pet and feed store you should really do more research on the products you sell.
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Post by loverocksalot on Sept 30, 2009 18:52:12 GMT -5
I think she said she uses it for the look. I think she meant she does not use it to walk the dog. Just a tag holder. However be careful if you leave it on your dogs when not supervised as it can get caught on something. Although that is the case with any collar I guess but choke type poses more risk.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 1, 2009 9:08:47 GMT -5
I've always harness trained all my dogs because I don't want pressure put on their throats!! but I have put choke chains on my dogs for the look but never the prong choke chains. I work at a privately owned pet and feed store and see all that is out there for dogs. "For the look"? I hope you are not leaving a choke chain on your dog when unsupervised. Many dogs have died from strangulation due to choke chains being left on unsupervised. They call'em 'CHOKE' chains for a reason.  And of course since they are so harmful and there are SOOOOOO many other GREAT options, there is no need to use a chain on your dog's neck. Just looking out for your dog, no judgement here.  |
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Post by loverocksalot on Oct 1, 2009 12:36:26 GMT -5
Mary That was what I was trying to get across in that way I was taught here.
Which brings me to how do I approach that with the neighbor dog I am watching out for. The one that is tied outside most of the day. She is out there on a choke. The lead is not attached to the choke position. the chain is not very loose think its been on her for a while. Anyway I gave them a regular collar today Im not sure strong enough for her but it was all I had to spare. So far the guy has listened to me. I am trying to do this lightly as I dont want to cross the line of telling someone how to raise their dog. Just like people dont like to hear how to raise their kids.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 1, 2009 15:25:54 GMT -5
Mary That was what I was trying to get across in that way I was taught here. Which brings me to how do I approach that with the neighbor dog I am watching out for. The one that is tied outside most of the day. She is out there on a choke. The lead is not attached to the choke position. the chain is not very loose think its been on her for a while. Anyway I gave them a regular collar today Im not sure strong enough for her but it was all I had to spare. So far the guy has listened to me. I am trying to do this lightly as I dont want to cross the line of telling someone how to raise their dog. Just like people dont like to hear how to raise their kids. Maybe supply the brochure that is at the beginning of this thread, and some options for appropriate tie out collars? Blocky Dogs and Collarmania should have some good ones. I'd say a 1 inch width, nylon collar with a buckle would be best. No martingales/half-chokes. It's always hard giving unsolicited advice - all you can do is hope for the best. They have already been amenable to your advances, so maybe they would be ok with a 'suggestion', or saying you 'heard' something and thought they should be made aware. |
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Post by myangel on Oct 1, 2009 16:18:35 GMT -5
I only use a plain choke chain for pics. I would never put my dog at any risk!!!!! I couldn't live with that!!!!! but you have to admit that a silver chain on a black dog looks nice in pics.  |
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Post by tank on Oct 2, 2009 17:00:34 GMT -5
a choke chain looks good in pics?
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Post by myangel on Oct 4, 2009 23:50:34 GMT -5
On a black dog a silver lose chain looks sharp in pics, after pics it comes off. I only had one black dog, a pit mix, and we only put the chain on for pics. my dogs only wear nylon collars with their tags. when outside in public and on long walks they are on matching harnesses. |
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Post by dre7 on Oct 30, 2009 0:04:03 GMT -5
Regarding choke and prong chains, a friend told me if I am going to put anything like that on my dog's neck, I should put it on mine first and then have someone give it a nice yank. LOL.
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Post by RealPitBull on Oct 30, 2009 8:24:14 GMT -5
Regarding choke and prong chains, a friend told me if I am going to put anything like that on my dog's neck, I should put it on mine first and then have someone give it a nice yank. LOL. Haha, yep! I haven't found anyone willing to let me administer a normal-strength correct on them yet, though  |
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Post by SunraysPitBulls on Nov 1, 2009 15:15:47 GMT -5
Questions.....So I am trying to get the prong off of my dog  Yes I have used it for years, and thought it was the best thing to use for me to control her... I am looking into the sensation harness. I noticed they have a regular one and then a cheaper version. Is there really a huge difference? |
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Post by RealPitBull on Nov 3, 2009 12:57:51 GMT -5
Questions.....So I am trying to get the prong off of my dog Yes I have used it for years, and thought it was the best thing to use for me to control her... I am looking into the sensation harness. I noticed they have a regular one and then a cheaper version. Is there really a huge difference? Ya know, that is a good question, Sonya, I can't really understand the difference, either. I use the regular one (I guess the more expensive one?) Might be worth getting in touch with SofTouch Concepts to see what they say. |
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 4, 2009 8:19:13 GMT -5
Ok I just got out my harnesses. I have two. Did not realize that one is sense-ation and the new one is sense-ible.
The difference is the materiel used on the belly strap. Rocky's original harness is the sens-ation because he has very little hair and is white he will get sores. The Belly strap on the Sens-ation is a smaller thread tighter weave making it very soft compared to traditional webbing. However I still had to add strips of mole skin in order for Rocky not to get rubbed. Also the adjustment slides are plastic in stead of metal. So when I needed to resize his harness since his chest grew I decided not to send back the one I had for altering and order a second. So this time I guess I did not want to spend the extra and I took those little tube furry things off an old sporne harness I am not using and slipped those over the belly strap. Works fine. But definitely when you order call soft touch with your measurements. They will custom adjust the chest strap which is very likely to need altering if your dog is all filled out. Rockys first harness was a M/L after sending them photos and measurements they altered a m/L adding 2 inches to the chest strap. A large harness would make for a good size chest strap but the belly back strap too big. Unfortunately rocky's harness could use another inch as it is almost fully extended so when I send back his original to be altered I will make sure to ask for a little more give. BTW I got the new altered harness in about 2 days.
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Post by loverocksalot on Nov 4, 2009 8:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by SunraysPitBulls on Nov 5, 2009 23:02:37 GMT -5
OK thanks alot! That helps me a bit |
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Post by blearinwonder on Jan 13, 2010 16:13:11 GMT -5
I have a choke chain on my dog with fabric stuffing inbetween the chains to ease it off a bit, purely because she is deaf and doesn't seem to understand where I am in relation to her whilst walking, so I give it tiny tugs in whatever direction I'm in. She doesn't pull normally, however, she does when she sees another dog and I dislike how much she pulls and it constricts, I have not found another alternative but would love suggestions....
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Post by RealPitBull on Jan 14, 2010 12:34:33 GMT -5
I have a choke chain on my dog with fabric stuffing inbetween the chains to ease it off a bit, purely because she is deaf and doesn't seem to understand where I am in relation to her whilst walking, so I give it tiny tugs in whatever direction I'm in. She doesn't pull normally, however, she does when she sees another dog and I dislike how much she pulls and it constricts, I have not found another alternative but would love suggestions.... Here is some information from DeafDogs.org: "Teaching to "Walk Nice" Dogs are taught (unintentionally) to pull on the leash. Whenever they are taken for a walk, they pull, and their person follows along behind, so the dog think that is what a walk is. It is easier to teach a puppy with no bad habits how to walk nice, but an older dog can be taught too. Teaching your dog to walk nice on a leash is often easier to start training off leash first. Start with a handful of treats, and while out playing, reward your dog every time she walks next to you. As she starts to do it more often, introduce a sign (such as patting your leg or hip). Once she seems to be doing well at that part, introduce walking on the leash. After she will walk nice in the back yard, try walking on the sidewalk. Dogs that have already learned to be very determined pullers can be controlled by using a head halter (such as the Gentle Leader). There are several manufacturers, but all work basically the same way. The principal is the same as a horse halter; when the dog pulls, her head is turned and her body must follow. A small person is able to walk a large strong dog using one of these. Your best bet is to find a trainer to help you learn how to fit and use them, as most dogs will object at first (much like they did when first introduced to a leash and collar). Some dogs will not adjust, and something else will need to be tried, but most will get used to it. The only real drawback is that a lot of people will think that your dog is wearing a muzzle (in spite of the fact that the loop is not around her nose and her mouth is open with her tongue hanging out). There are many other ways to teach a dog not to pull. Two of the most common are to stop moving whenever your dog pulls (eventually, she will come back to see why you aren't moving), or to turn and go the other way when your dog pulls (better stick close so as not to get lost). Sometimes your best bet is to talk to a trainer for help, as some techniques really need to be demonstrated to be effective. Regardless, your dog can be taught to walk nicely, it just takes practice. (Diamonds In The Ruff has a very good article on teaching your dog to "walk nice": www.diamondsintheruff.com/nopulling.html )" Also, you may want to consider a vibrating collar: deafdogs.org/training/vibratrain.php |
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Post by marc on Dec 3, 2010 17:29:07 GMT -5
The chest strap being too short seems to be the issue I am having with the easy harness. Think i will go order the sensation. Ok I just got out my harnesses. I have two. Did not realize that one is sense-ation and the new one is sense-ible. The difference is the materiel used on the belly strap. Rocky's original harness is the sens-ation because he has very little hair and is white he will get sores. The Belly strap on the Sens-ation is a smaller thread tighter weave making it very soft compared to traditional webbing. However I still had to add strips of mole skin in order for Rocky not to get rubbed. Also the adjustment slides are plastic in stead of metal. So when I needed to resize his harness since his chest grew I decided not to send back the one I had for altering and order a second. So this time I guess I did not want to spend the extra and I took those little tube furry things off an old sporne harness I am not using and slipped those over the belly strap. Works fine. But definitely when you order call soft touch with your measurements. They will custom adjust the chest strap which is very likely to need altering if your dog is all filled out. Rockys first harness was a M/L after sending them photos and measurements they altered a m/L adding 2 inches to the chest strap. A large harness would make for a good size chest strap but the belly back strap too big. Unfortunately rocky's harness could use another inch as it is almost fully extended so when I send back his original to be altered I will make sure to ask for a little more give. BTW I got the new altered harness in about 2 days. |
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Post by michele5611 on Dec 3, 2010 18:05:14 GMT -5
Marc I think you would really like the sensation harness. I am a sensation harness convert and wish I had discovered it sooner!
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Post by loverocksalot on Dec 3, 2010 18:38:53 GMT -5
marc make sure you call the people that make the sensation they will help you size it right and add inches as needed.
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Yes I have used it for years, and thought it was the best thing to use for me to control her...
