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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 9:58:49 GMT -5
In addition, those claiming the bloodlines are NOT the actual original breeders of the dogs who came from Razor's Edge Kennels.
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 10:05:45 GMT -5
Plus, the rumor that the original Razor's Edge dogs were mixed has been disproven by the UKC. The only thing that needs to be done to alter the breed is, over several generations, ONLY breed the dogs that are heavier, shorter, braceophallic, etc...
In photos, you can check out My Stella and look at the pic of her father, Xavier, to know what a real pit bull with an ancestor bred from the kennel called Razor's Edge SHOULD look. Today, you cannot even google Razor's Edge without being linked to over 100 kennels CLAIMING "original" Razor's Edge dogs... but these original dogs are long dead, and the deformed dogs that are being offered look NOTHING like those originals...
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 10:08:42 GMT -5
What I do know is that SO many unethical breeders run with the RE bloodline and I have to make the leap in thought process to assume the person who created this bloodline didn't care one bit about their dogs/where they went. I also have yet to come across ANY breeder that I would consider ethical that boasts RE bloodlines. If you have an example, I'd love to be pointed in their direction.
Also, RE is based off of UKC and AKC dogs.
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 10:10:09 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 10:11:45 GMT -5
Plus, the rumor that the original Razor's Edge dogs were mixed has been disproven by the UKC. The only thing that needs to be done to alter the breed is, over several generations, ONLY breed the dogs that are heavier, shorter, braceophallic, etc... In photos, you can check out My Stella and look at the pic of her father, Xavier, to know what a real pit bull with an ancestor bred from the kennel called Razor's Edge SHOULD look. Today, you cannot even google Razor's Edge without being linked to over 100 kennels CLAIMING "original" Razor's Edge dogs... but these original dogs are long dead, and the deformed dogs that are being offered look NOTHING like those originals... Can you show me where the UKC has disproven this? Did they conduct DNA tests on these dogs? Thanks for your elaboration!  |
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 10:26:29 GMT -5
Oh, coincodentally, I recently emailed UKC about the whole American Bully/RE thing. Haven't heard back yet, and I am very curious to see what they have to say. I'm not much for rumors/hearsay, and I like to thoroughly investigate a situation myself before forming an opinion.
One thing seems certain - RE dogs that are now being registered as American Bullys, but duel reg'd with the UKC ARE indeed mixed with another breed or breeds. If that is the case, the dogs that are now also being called American Bullys are MIXED breeds and NOT APBTs and should be be registered as such!!!!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 10:38:44 GMT -5
Relevent to the discussion, for everyone's education ;D: Some Razor's Edge history (not sure about the accuracy, but based on the peds I've seen, sounds about right to me) : www.riospitbull.com/blue_bloodlines.htm |
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 18:46:41 GMT -5
The UKC posted something on this several months back and I will try to find it again; they did this because there was a big deal made about the American Bully situation (rightly so) and many dog owners whose dogs had Razor's Edge bloodlines were freaking about registrations getting pulled.
It seems like there are various levels of confirmation "quirking" from these dogs, and I'm going to order my 25 generation pedigree to see what I can find. I have pics of several generations back and all are correct to my eye, but then one google on Razor's Edge produces dogs that look nothing like pit bulls.... If you examine Xavier side by side with one of these bullies he looks nothing like them. I will definately be getting back on this one soon, because it is soo important, for two reasons: breeders should stick to the standard (and fad breeders need to be discouraged), and like Mary said, these dogs are being called pit bulls and the general public is seeing them as such...
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 18:50:07 GMT -5
Ick and is anyone skeeved by the term "dogmen"-just a side thought???? I cannot see the humanity in anyone who would take my Stella and force her into a pit to be ripped up, thinking she's some sort of noble warrior for doing it...
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 18:56:34 GMT -5
here's just one kennel i found... a few of these dogs look like large pit bulls, but a few of them are WAY OFF, especially the first dog in the pic with the kennel's name: northtexasgreyline.net/index.htmlthis doesn't seem like this: www.colbypitbull.com/ Wouldn't these dogs do very poorly in confirmation classes? Is that why they want to create their own breed? |
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 9:59:56 GMT -5
The UKC posted something on this several months back and I will try to find it again; they did this because there was a big deal made about the American Bully situation (rightly so) and many dog owners whose dogs had Razor's Edge bloodlines were freaking about registrations getting pulled. Yeah, I've be curious to see it, if you could find it. I might do some digging this afternoon if I have time, as well. UKC as of today hasn't gotten back to me. Yes, and from the reasearch I've done, that's kind of what they were going for - no specific 'type', just a lot of variety in size/shape. I have seen RE dogs that looked like chunky AmStaffs, and ones that were super overdone/American Bully-esque. I'd love to see that ped. Would be interesting. |
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 10:01:51 GMT -5
here's just one kennel i found... a few of these dogs look like large pit bulls, but a few of them are WAY OFF, especially the first dog in the pic with the kennel's name: northtexasgreyline.net/index.htmlthis doesn't seem like this: www.colbypitbull.com/ Wouldn't these dogs do very poorly in confirmation classes? Is that why they want to create their own breed? These people are breeding with no real concern for the standards, so no, they wouldn't do well in organized UKC shows, and lord knows they'd be laughed out of an ADBA show. |
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 18, 2008 12:16:54 GMT -5
oh yeah... i'm still getting around to it, but as soon as i get the pedigree i would love to check it out with you Mary, since you will probably know a lot that i don't and it would be interesting to see what dogs are there. Also, is there a way to view pedigrees of studs at these so-called bully kennels? It would make for an interesting comparison. I saw that online petition also but i didn't really lend it much since it came forwarded from  Answers and the creater seemed as tho they were regurgitating things they heard rather than doing their own research. i'm going to wait until i get the pedigree to make up my mind as well, then we can post something... Everyone I've spoken to tells me that they simply used selective breeding (and at some point began chosing pairs of dogs that were way outside of the standard), but last year was when I learned about the people wanting the UKC to investigate possible Mastiff blood. The pedigree should give us some answers either way and i need to dig the forms out after I move next week so I can order the 25 gen. I'll keep everyone posted!!! |
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 14:48:14 GMT -5
Stephanie, a lot of these kennels have their pedigrees online. Not all, but some.
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 18, 2008 22:15:38 GMT -5
if they can be trusted... and if I can get past the booty-shaking girls.. =)
seriously, its all a little creepy, not just size wise, but with people claiming they have "exotic" pit bulls and things like this. Why is there no regulation?
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 21, 2008 12:16:12 GMT -5
if they can be trusted... and if I can get past the booty-shaking girls.. =) seriously, its all a little creepy, not just size wise, but with people claiming they have "exotic" pit bulls and things like this. Why is there no regulation? LOL @ 'booty shaking girls' The websites are pretty horrendous, aren't they? And they all look like they were created by the same website designer. |
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 27, 2008 11:14:47 GMT -5
Mary, can I get your opinion on these dogs (obviously as much as can be seen from a website). Have you heard of these lines or this kennel? Some of the dogs look GREAT. We're thinking of getting another puppy maybe next year, once Stella has gotten some more work and the baby is settled. Some of these dogs are GORGEOUS. www.victorinoskennel.com/Pages/MAIN.HTML |
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 28, 2008 10:17:11 GMT -5
They sure do have some purty dogs ;D Looks like moderate health testing and titling, too. At first glance they look like a decent kennel, but I don't know anything about them. Couldn't access the couple pedigree pages I tried, either. Curious to see what is behind their dogs. But their dogs are typey and correctly-sized, so they are one leg up in that regard, at least  Mary, can I get your opinion on these dogs (obviously as much as can be seen from a website). Have you heard of these lines or this kennel? Some of the dogs look GREAT. We're thinking of getting another puppy maybe next year, once Stella has gotten some more work and the baby is settled. Some of these dogs are GORGEOUS. www.victorinoskennel.com/Pages/MAIN.HTML |
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 28, 2008 13:50:55 GMT -5
i'm thinking of emailing them for more info. I like that Rebels Red Ace a whole lot!
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Post by coolhandjean on Oct 4, 2008 13:53:46 GMT -5
Sorry, If I repeat something, I skimmed through it.
Some Razor Edge dogs are still true to the Amstaff standard, some even look like APBT. However, the majority RE dogs are AmBullies.
Gotti is a definite Ambully bloodline.
As for the OP, my favorite bloodline is Chinaman, though I also like the boogieman bloodline and Nose Ringer bloodline.
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