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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 18, 2008 15:17:23 GMT -5
I was curious so I looked into this. From the American Bully Kennel Club site:
Q: What is the American Bully? A: All dogs currently registered as either American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers will be registered with us as an American Bully. (must meet bully standard in order to be registered)
And this is the standard:
American Bully Breed Standard
General Impression The American Bully should give the impression of great strength for its size. A medium size dog with a muscular body. Agile and graceful in its movement, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.
Head Medium length, deep through, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop, and high set ears. Ears – Natural or Cropped. Eyes - All colors except albinism. Eye shape would be round to oval, low down in skull and set far apart. Muzzle - Medium length rounded on upper side or slightly squared to fall away abruptly below eyes. Jaws well defined. Under jaw to be strong and have biting power. Lips close and even, some looseness accepted, but not preferred. Upper teeth to meet tightly outside lower teeth in front or scissor bite accepted. Nose all colors acceptable.
Neck Heavy, slightly arched, tapering from shoulders to back of skull. No looseness of skin. Medium length.
Shoulders Strong and muscular with blades wide and sloping.
Back Fairly short. Slight sloping from withers to rump or straight accepted with gentle short slope at rump to base of tail. Slightly higher rears accepted, but not encouraged.
Body Well-sprung ribs, deep in rear and all ribs close together. Forelegs set rather wide apart to permit chest development. Chest should be deep and broad.
Tail Short in comparison to size, low set, tapering to a fine point; not curled. Not docked.
Legs Front legs- should be straight a slight turning outwards of the feet is accepted but not desired, large or round bones, pastern upright. No resemblance of bend in front. Hindquarters- well-muscled, let down at hocks, turning neither in nor out. Feet- of moderate size, well-arched and compact. Gait- should be springy with drive off the rear.
Coat Short, close, stiff to the touch, and glossy.
Color All colors and patterns are permissible expect the color merle.
Size Height and weight should be in proportion. A height of about 18 to 21 inches at shoulders for the male and 17 to 20 inches for the female is to be considered preferable. There is no particular weight for the breed.
Faults Faults to be penalized are: kinked or knotted tails, pink eyes and any form of albinism, tail too long or curled, undershot or overshot mouths, severe turned fronts, and aggressive behavior towards animals and humans.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 18, 2008 15:18:31 GMT -5
They also have something called a Shorty Bull. Lawd, help us.
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Post by emilys on Mar 18, 2008 18:41:24 GMT -5
I do believe they've plagiarized many parts of the AKC standard...
quote from STCA site: The Official AKC Breed Standard
General Impression: The American Staffordshire Terrier should give the impression of great strength for his size, a well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.
Head: Medium length, deep through, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop; and ears are set high. Ears - Cropped or uncropped, the latter preferred. Uncropped ears should be short and held half prick or rose. Full drop to be penalized. Eyes - Dark and round, low down in skull and set far apart. No pink eyelids. Muzzle - Medium length, rounded on upper side to fall away abruptly below eyes. Jaws well defined. Underjaw to be strong and have biting power. Lips close and even, no looseness. Upper teeth to meet tightly outside lower teeth in front. Nose definitely black.
Neck: Heavy, slightly arched, tapering from shoulders to back of skull. No looseness of skin. Medium length.
Shoulders: Strong and muscular with blades wide and sloping.
Back: Fairly short. Slight sloping from withers to rump with gentle short slope at rump to base of tail. Loins slightly tucked.
Body: Well-sprung ribs, deep in rear. All ribs close together. Forelegs set rather wide apart to permit of chest development. Chest deep and broad.
Tail: Short in comparison to size, low set, tapering to a fine point; not curled or held over back. Not docked.
Legs: The front legs should be straight, large or round bones, pastern upright. No resemblance of bend in front. Hindquarters well muscled, let down at hocks turning neither in nor out. Feet of moderate size, well-arched and compact. Gait must be springy but without roll or pace.
Coat: Short, close, stiff to the touch and glossy.
Color: Any color, solid, parti, or patched is permissible, but all white, more than 80 percent white, black and tan and liver not to be encouraged.
Size: Height and weight should be in proportion. A height of about 18 to 19 inches at the shoulders for the male and 17 to 18 inches for the female is to be considered preferable.
Faults: Faults to be penalized are Dudley nose, light or pink eyes, tail too long or badly carried, undershot or overshot mouths.
Adopted and approved June 10, 1936.
I think I'll send a little email...
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Post by valliesong on Mar 18, 2008 20:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 19, 2008 13:29:24 GMT -5
There are so many things wrong with the American Bully camp I don't know where to start. To me, it seems obvious that these dogs are nothing more than status symbols to the people breeding them. My hope is that the registry eventually closes its studbooks and ends dual-registration to help seperate the AmBullys from APBTs, but somehow I doubt that will happen, as right now these people are able to cash in on two markets - the naive Pit Bull market that thinks big = good, and the new AmBully market.
Regardless, these dogs will always be "Pit Bulls" to the general public and news media and confused with MY breed the APBT, and that is what is so sad to me. At least the standard penalizes aggression, blatantly.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 19, 2008 13:33:31 GMT -5
Emily, you're right....that standard looks swiped word for word from other standards; actually, when I first read it I thought there was no way the American Bully people wrote that - sounded too legitimate. Sorry, but these people come off as really uneducated/low-class. The typos evident in the links above that Val posted as well as the one site with the classless, bare-@ssed woman on the top of the page, are only helping to cement my opinion of them. Not saying that all AmBully owners fit this mold, but I have not seen ONE AmBully breeder website that looks tasteful, designed by someone who is educated about dogs, and doesn't look like it is trying to prove something.
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Post by RealPitBull on Mar 19, 2008 15:05:35 GMT -5
I just sent this to the club Hello.... I am compiling info on the American Bully. I would like to know more about the history of this 'breed'. Who are the founders? What are the founding bloodlines? Is the goal to simply register certain APBTs and ASTs that meet a standard, calling them 'American Bullys?' Will the stud books eventually be closed, or is dual-registration seen as a long-term option? Are you seeking ARBA or other major all-breed kennel club recognition? I was also wondering about the AmBully standard....looks like an altered version of the AKC AmStaff standard - who contributed/wrote the AmBully standard? Has any other breed blood been added to the American Bully breed, to create something truly 'new'? I guess I am a bit confused, because it does not seem to me that any concerted, calculated breeding effort has taken place to create an "American Bully" breed. Basically, you've taken APBTs that did not fit the standard and are calling them something else. Thanks for your time!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 17, 2008 14:19:04 GMT -5
I just sent this to the club Hello.... I am compiling info on the American Bully. I would like to know more about the history of this 'breed'. Who are the founders? What are the founding bloodlines? Is the goal to simply register certain APBTs and ASTs that meet a standard, calling them 'American Bullys?' Will the stud books eventually be closed, or is dual-registration seen as a long-term option? Are you seeking ARBA or other major all-breed kennel club recognition? I was also wondering about the AmBully standard....looks like an altered version of the AKC AmStaff standard - who contributed/wrote the AmBully standard? Has any other breed blood been added to the American Bully breed, to create something truly 'new'? I guess I am a bit confused, because it does not seem to me that any concerted, calculated breeding effort has taken place to create an "American Bully" breed. Basically, you've taken APBTs that did not fit the standard and are calling them something else. Thanks for your time! Just as a follow-up, I never received a response from the club.
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Post by mcgregor on Apr 17, 2008 18:22:35 GMT -5
Mary .... are you talking about American bully aka American bulldog, Im confused here, my yogi ,see pic...ever since I got him at the age of two months ... I was told he was a pitbull but I always suspected he is an American bulldog because he was a huge puppy ... American bulldogs come in three different distinct body types ... this is a pic of yogi at 5 months old.. he is now 3 years old and way too big to be an pitbull
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 19:03:49 GMT -5
Maybe we should demand they close the books NOW? =) I don't know, I look at my little Stella, who by the way gets some amazing hangtime, and I look at the beautiful early 1900s pics of pit bulls, and then I look at the frankly piggish, unhealthy dogs that are pumping out all over the place now, and I just think it isn't right. Sorta like a Cockapoo or some other nonsense....
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 19:05:55 GMT -5
gotta love the "bitches with rears" on the 965 bully squad site... yeah, these people aren't ghetto or anything... I dunno... I guess I must be a snob or something but I think that breeding animals should be a little dignified. I can't imagine anyone who puts out a site like this is on the up and up...
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 17, 2008 19:08:14 GMT -5
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Post by trent on Apr 17, 2008 20:02:15 GMT -5
this subject pisses me off!!! i agree we should demand some action!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 7:58:09 GMT -5
Mary .... are you talking about American bully aka American bulldog, Im confused here, my yogi ,see pic...ever since I got him at the age of two months ... I was told he was a pitbull but I always suspected he is an American bulldog because he was a huge puppy ... American bulldogs come in three different distinct body types ... this is a pic of yogi at 5 months old.. he is now 3 years old and way too big to be an pitbull Sorry for the confusion! I am NOT talking about AMERICAN BULLDOGS which are a distinct, and recognized breed. This topic is about AMERICAN BULLYS, and if you see this website, you'll have a better idea of what we are talking about: www.abkcdogs.com (Obviously another huge problem with American Bullys is that the name is confusing!)
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 8:00:25 GMT -5
No, you are not getting too worked up about this. These dogs are beyond exaggerated Pit Bulls, they have been mixed with other breeds. American Bullys are being registered ALSO in the UKC as APBTs (check out American Bullys in a search engine then note the registries these people use). What the UKC is doing here, I have NO idea.
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Post by amspits2007 on Apr 18, 2008 8:12:27 GMT -5
I agree. We should definitly demand action on this. I too don't think these dogs are healthy. Those dogs are definitly confused by the media as being the "typical" pit bull and that breaks my heart. The media never reports on pugs or other ankle height dogs bitting humans they always pick on the bigger bully breeds. Don't get me wrong I love all dogs but this is why we have to have forums and we have to watch our dogs carefully while out in public otherwise someone may interrupt my dogs playful loving manner as them wanting to attack the person. ERRRRR! Sorry this definitly pisses me off.I agree. We should definitly demand action on this. I too don't think these dogs are healthy. Those dogs are definitly confused by the media as being the "typical" pit bull and that breaks my heart. The media never reports on pugs or other ankle height dogs bitting humans they always pick on the bigger bully breeds. Don't get me wrong I love all dogs but this is why we have to have forums and we have to watch our dogs carefully while out in public otherwise someone may interrupt my dogs playful loving manner as them wanting to attack the person. ERRRRR! Sorry this definitly pisses me off!!! >:
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Post by trent on Apr 18, 2008 13:33:56 GMT -5
This poor dogs cant be healty. I wonder what the lifespan on one of these things is compared to an ABPT in relatively descent form? I really do feel sorry for the poor fellows!! It would defintely be better for the dogs to no longer make them cash cows so to speak!
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Post by RealPitBull on Apr 18, 2008 14:25:55 GMT -5
This poor dogs cant be healty. I wonder what the lifespan on one of these things is compared to an ABPT in relatively descent form? I really do feel sorry for the poor fellows!! It would defintely be better for the dogs to no longer make them cash cows so to speak! Some of these dogs really do make me cringe in empathetic pain - they do not look happy or comfortable. Just another example of exaggerated, distorted breeding practices for the almighty $$$$$
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Post by valliesong on Apr 18, 2008 21:57:26 GMT -5
Soon enough they will have all the health issues of the English Bulldog.
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Post by bullymommy25 on Apr 18, 2008 22:10:40 GMT -5
well the breeders are forgetting that our breed was forged in gladiator-like conditions, like it or not, either the pit or as a farm hand bringing BULLS to butcher. There is a reason that this breed evolved to be a MEDIUM sized, well muscled, lightweight dog that can BREATHE (!) properly. The old school breeders knew that they were creating the ultimate canine. The fact that these people are seeking to breed a "tougher" looking dog is laughable, because they are simply creating a sick, overweight animal that cannot get itself two feet off the ground. There is a reason that this is a new fad and not the original shape of the pit bull... quite simply, these dogs cannot be the atheletes that pit bulls are. Why mess with a wonderful design? I guess image is everything???
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