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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 14:36:42 GMT -5
Ps I lo e my iPhone I can be on the forum while at work all day ! YAY! Did you download the forum app? It's a couple bux but it's worth it.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 14:28:39 GMT -5
I just don't get the whole "to save a dog's life" thing. I don't live in a world where it's "shock your dog into compliance or he dies". I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, I just hear people say that all the time, and I don't get it? I manage my dog's dog-aggression, why can't people manage their dog's livestock predatory-behavior? I did. (Just FYI, Luca was insanely predatory and I had him around my horses - granted the horses didn't live on our property but I am not unsympathetic to people who have to deal with a predatory dog around horses - Luca would have latched onto my horse's nose and hung there if given the change!) I know you manage, ME, and you know what you are doing/how to manage. I get what you are saying, there is a need for people to be able to learn about positive training and managing their dogs' prey drive, but I guess my first point would be that when we choose to live with an animal with inborn prey drive, chances are we're going to have to learn to simply manage some of that behavior when it pops up, not shock it out of existence......there is no "cure" to predatory behavior anyway, and even if you shock a dog into temporary compliance, at some point that suppressed behavior will resurface. So regardless of whether someone uses positive or shock, they are STILL going to have to manage their dog, regardless. Prey drive is not something you can "fix", just like aggression isn't something you "fix". You teach new/incompatible behaviors, and you manage. The last thing I wanted to add was, I can't help it if a person is not down for management and working with their dog using positive methods and jumps to, "Well I need to shock my dog or else I'm going to kill him!" I know people do that, but sadly, I cannot stop them from doing that. For some people, they want/need a behavior stopped at all costs or they will give up their dog. If my dog is predatory and I live around livestock, I'm keeping my dog contained. I'm not going to shock him - period. That's just not what I'm willing to do. Everyone has a different threshold for acceptable behavior, however, and everyone has a different idea of what is/is not acceptable to do to their dogs. Anyway, thanks for bringing this stuff up, ME! Good discussion.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 14:11:08 GMT -5
Well, in my personal experience, positive training always works. There is no such thing as a dog that doesn't respond to the laws of learning, sometimes it just takes persistence and trying a variety of techniques. I just don't believe physical punishment is ever an option. Predatory behavior no matter what method you use is always going to be a difficult thing to manage, and there is definitely no "cure". (Think about it in terms of how we manage/modify dog-aggression in this breed). But for instance, with Luca, I pretty much extinguished his on-leash squirrel obsession by merely requiring him to do something I wanted before he got a chance to go follow a squirrel up the tree. He was insane about wanting to chase squirrels, too. After a short time, he just stopped even caring about squirrels and completely ignored them. Also remember too the horse is a whole new thing for Rufus, some of it is a novelty thing that has to wear off. And he can never, ever be allowed to gain self-reinforcement for chasing the horse (not that I think you'd allow that, just saying for sake of an argument). Reverse-BAT or reverse-CAT works really well for prey-chase behavior. When he wants to GET to something, movement towards it is the reward for appropriate behavior. Control Unleashed has some really good exercises for teaching self-control, too, that I'd use in addition to the above. Just my coupla cents
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 12:37:40 GMT -5
Awwwwwwwwwwww
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 12:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 11:38:27 GMT -5
^ Thanks for that, I hold onto things way longer than necessary. I'll have to gather some pix and post on this thread.
I really miss my boy. One reason it was especially upsetting losing that pup I was supposed to get was because he would have been related to Luca. I'm waiting on that breeder specifically because I want another dog that carries a piece of Luca. He was just such a sweet, smart, wonderful dog. I had him longer than any dog and I'm having a really hard time with him being gone.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 10:30:12 GMT -5
Well I think her blog on aggression is amazing, and I'll continue to share that with people.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 10:27:11 GMT -5
Wow, cool!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 10:24:50 GMT -5
Sounds like something environmental that may be causing them irritation like Mel said? I would most likely to some tests if it keeps up, though. That's just me, I get paranoid about contagions. Not sure what it could be, though... ???
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 9:29:37 GMT -5
Mary, it sounds like he is trying to get you to get past your guilt. Think about it, no matter what happened in your dream, everytime you came home he was there being happy and content. He wasn't upset with you, he was just happy. It sounds like he wants you to forgive yourself. That is actually a really good point.....I hadn't thought of it like that. Thank you for that analysis
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 7:07:49 GMT -5
Adrianne's Arnold the Pit Bull and Backup the Malinois somehow escaped their rooms and killed each other, one of the SDs from SDC died of some sort of fungal thing and a customer dog died from cancer. Allison, I'm so sorry to hear about your goat! I don't know those dogs, but that is soooo horrible. I cannot imagine what their mom must be going through.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 9, 2013 7:06:48 GMT -5
Dang Mary, I had no idea...RIP Luca..my condolences.. Thank you
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 18:36:52 GMT -5
Maybe in the next few weeks when I supposedly will get a mid 2nd trimester energy increase??? SIGH!! lol I def want to come up.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 18:32:46 GMT -5
The latest blog post, the one at the very top. I was just taken aback, because she seemed so all about R+ training, and also is obviously knowledgeable. Her using a shock collar on a livestock chasing dog was just like whaaaat? Doesn't discount the good stuff she's saying, I just hate that she's promoting them. vanyaproject.blogspot.com/2011/08/teaching-vanya-not-to-chase-livestock.html
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 15:28:11 GMT -5
How cute is she!!!! I just love her! I really need to meet her, ME! Plus I miss Rufus and Sadie
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 14:34:42 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing about your dreams, girls. It helps to talk. In the dream I had last night, Luca was a senior, and about how he was right before he went REALLY downhill. But he seemed happy/content in the dream. I kept forgetting about him, though - and then I would panic and run and try to find him (he was always at home, but it was like I was off doing stuff and he was not on my mind and then I would suddenly remember him and run to find him in a panic). I woke up thinking he was still around and then realized he wasn't. Been really sad all day.
I think there is a lot of residual guilt with him, even though I spent a lot of time at home with him, I was gone for those 3 months early last year, and he died 5 months after I got home. I feel guilty having left him.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 11:15:05 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 10:46:15 GMT -5
It's not a bad article per se but the fact that "pit bull" doesn't mean anything anymore means whether you are talking pro or con, your points are meaningless because you aren't talking about a specific breed.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 7:18:42 GMT -5
Very vivid, real dream, the kind when you wake up you don't realize you even just had a dream and it's more like a continuation of reality. I miss that dog more every day instead of less.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 8, 2013 7:17:47 GMT -5
^ LOL
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