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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 2, 2013 7:15:40 GMT -5
I'm happy for you, Cat!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 1, 2013 11:41:01 GMT -5
I've heard of Northland Pits, just because I've been on almost every website of every breed claiming to have OFRN. I highly doubt they were fighting those dogs.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 1, 2013 9:41:57 GMT -5
I wish Pit Bull advocates would stop trying to "defend" Pit Bulls by saying "Oh I've known vicious Chihuahuas!" It just makes our side sound stupid and like our heads are in the sand. No crap all dogs bite - some dogs may do more damage than others because of size/strength. (I know, Pit Bull advocates nowadays completely deny this, but it's not a "Pit Bull thing", it is a DOG thing, a bigger/stronger dog is likely to do more damage than a tiny one. I'm sure it doesn't make the public feel safer when we routinely tell them, "Don't worry about Pit Bulls! Chihuahuas and Shih Tzu bite too!"
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 1, 2013 7:00:16 GMT -5
I don't have any feedback on the dog soap, but the website is looking really nice, and I love the About Us section!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 1, 2013 6:58:12 GMT -5
I'm very sorry, Cat. Have a safe trip to the rainbow bridge, Neljä. RIP!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jul 1, 2013 6:55:29 GMT -5
Very nice! It should be easily understood by those "There's no such thing as a Pit Bull" people. Are you going to touch on the whole color v. breed issue soon? It drives me nuts when people think their dog is a different breed, or type, all because of nose color (and sometimes even then they get the nose color wrong...oy) And where the heck did "Is your dog English or American?" come from? That always bewilders me! Thanks! This is what we have on our website as far as the color thing goes: "Red or blue nose dogs are: a special type of Pit Bull / rare / worth more than black nose dogs": The answer to all of the above is: FALSE!!! Let's talk color in Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls are traditionally a performance breed. That means that they were originally bred based on how well they performed a certain task, not what they looked like. Color was probably the least important thing that old-time breeders of Pit Bulls considered. Today, Pit Bulls remain largely a working/performance dog, and so the old way of doing things as far as looks are concerned largely still holds fast. True, many Pit Bulls today are also bred with the show ring in mind, however color is of almost zero importance even in that venue. No one who really knows Pit Bulls is all that impressed by color. A flashy color does not a good dog make, and although many people have favorite colors, breed savvy people know that it's what's under the coat that counts.
Pit Bulls come in almost every color that is genetically possible in dogs. Some colors are more common (brindle or fawn for instance); some colors you don't see as often (such as spotted or black and tan). One thing is for certain, however: blue and red nosed dogs do NOT fall into the "rare" category - there are many of both colors out there, especially (at least in my area) the red nosed dogs.
There is, unfortunately, a faction of breeders (all unscrupulous), that are attempting to cash in on the current fad of blue and red nosed dogs. These people produce poor quality animals with no thought to health and temperament, their biggest selling point being coat color. Breeders of this type many times charge jacked up prices for their puppies, justifying the high price tag by claiming their dogs are of a "rare" or "special" color. The unsuspecting buyer is duped into believing their animal is extraordinary simply because he happens to have an "odd" colored nose. Breeders of this ilk are especially dubious because not only are they producing bad stock, but they lure their customers in by making false claims. Do not be fooled by this type!
There are, of course, very ethical breeders that produce blue and red nosed dogs. There are many fine, healthy, stable examples of these color varieties out there. These are dogs bred by people who care about the breed, are knowledgeable about what they are doing, and breed for MUCH more than just a snazzy color. There is nothing wrong with liking one color above another, but one should be an educated consumer. Realize that you aren't just buying a pretty face, but a living, breathing creature that is going to make real demands and require money to care for, time, and patience.
Some people have the mistaken belief that blue or red nosed dogs are a special "type" of Pit Bull. When speaking of such dogs, these sorts are apt to make statements such as, "I have a blue Pit", or "My dog is the red nosed kind". Let's replace "brindle" with "red-nosed": "My dog is the brindle kind." Sort of silly, no? Brindle is just a color a Pit Bull may be, not a "kind" of Pit Bull. Well, ditto red and blue. There is a specific line of Pit Bull known for its red noses; this is the Old Family Red Nose strain. But this was a tight-knit family of dogs bred closely because of their superior ability in the pit. The genetic closeness of the dogs made it easy to pass on certain traits--it just so happens that the traits of the Old Family dogs included not only gameness, but the genes for red noses as well.The "English/American" thing you bring up - I think maybe people read a snippet or two of history or someone misstates something, and then it turns into "pit bull pop culture". Like they get SBTs ("English" Pit Bulls) confused with APBTs? Just a guess. Who knows where half of the crap people believe comes from.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 29, 2013 18:20:12 GMT -5
I thought that blog could have been written about any of us here on the forum I was reading it thinking, "Hmm did I argue with this guy recently???" Hah.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 18:16:23 GMT -5
Good boy! Definitely improvement!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 17:34:39 GMT -5
What a pretty dog.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 17:33:08 GMT -5
Thanks for that response Mary. Yeah it kind of does seem like the only logical progression. It's just the sheer numbers of dogs out there coupled together with the ignorance that's just overwhelming. I do think we are very much in the minority here and I guess just "elitist" assholes. Just remember, too, that the dogmen are some of the reason the dogs got into the hands of the "public" as well; lot of indiscriminate breeding and selling. They didn't exactly have great ethics.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 15:21:51 GMT -5
I'm "mean" because I don't care about dogs that look like Pit Bulls but aren't Pit Bulls. I get it. But it's just that I care about my breed and the "advocacy" work these people are doing in the name of "Pit Bulls" is hurting the breed they say doesn't exist. Yet they sit there and call themselves breed advocates, talking about "pit bull this, and pit bull that", until you have to talk about something that isn't cute and fluffy, then it's, "we're not talking about a breed! 'Pit bull' is just slang for dogs that look a certain way, there is no such breed so it's unfair to talk about specifics!".
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 15:08:26 GMT -5
I know where you are coming from, and I definitely think that the breed was in a potentially better place before a lot of the public got a hold of them. I had the same opinion when I first got involved with the breed that you state above.
When I first researched the breed, there wasn't Stubby Dog or Pinups for Pit Bulls or similar fluffy orgs. My sources for information were old groups like Pitbull-L (very anti dog fighting but lots of knowledgeable people on the list), the Stratton books, and newsgroups like rec.pets.dogs.breeds and I talked to people like Gary Hammond and Ren Sanchez (Ishikawa bloodlines - no idea what happened to him) and I got a really good solid understanding of what these dogs SHOULD be and a real appreciation for breed history. Like any closed group with their own agenda, there is a certain bias - and you'd be hard pressed to find a dogman that thinks the breed is better off with average Joe rescue guy vs. a private dogfighter. Dog fighting isn't any big deal to people like these, they think the dogs like it, and they very often have an extremely limited knowledge of dog behavior overall, even though they really do GET the "essence" of what the breed is and know what should be seen in general in Pit Bull temperament.
I've read tons of old material written by dogmen. I have a pile of fighting dog mags in my living room. I've read a bunch of old pit reports. It's very easy to be lulled into a false sense of what dog fighting is/was when you talk to these people and read their material. There is a LOT of romanticizing.
I think the breed would be better off extinct (yes, it hurts to even type that) then to exist largely in the hands of dogfighters because it's brutal and awful and animal abuse plain and simple. Just like a hunter may know his prey really well, have some kind of respect for it, even real admiration for it, wants it to prosper, in the end he just plans on killing it anyway. This is kind of how I see dogfighters.
There is a lot of "humaniac hysteria" amongst pro dog fighters and people who support the sport because they don't want to go to jail or see people they admire go to jail. HSUS is very pro rescued fighting dog now - they are not the enemy anymore. ASPCA - probably would also be considered a "humaniac" group by dog fighting aficionados but they are also very pro Pit Bull and anti BSL. Why are they CONSIDERED the enemy by some? Because they go after dog fighters. ( PETA is just...PETA. No one takes them seriously, and they are pro BSL. )
I get not wanting to see the gamebred APBT die out, but unfortunately that is the only humane, ethical, logical way for things to progress for this breed. I do feel like the horse is out of the barn, and I don't know if the breed will ever fully recover in a genuine way from the shitshow that the past 30 years has been. So I can see nostalgia in wanting things to return to "The good old days" when mainly these dogs were in the hands of dogmen. But it's just not something I'd personally want to have happen, because I care about the individual dogs that would suffer so greatly. What's worse? Being a fighting dog enduring the horrors of the pit, or being owned by an idiot, where maybe the dog eventually gets taken away, tossed in a shelter, than euth'd?
That's my ramble-y response.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 14:48:16 GMT -5
That is so cool! Yay for Buttercup!
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 14:38:13 GMT -5
I browsed them, I saw a lot of people in agreement.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 14:17:50 GMT -5
The whole world of Pit Bull advocacy and rescue is screwed. The breed is pretty much lost in terms of preserving good, sound, true Pit Bulls. There is no such thing as APBT rescue anymore. There is no other breed that I've ever come across that is full of so many advocates who actively work so hard to discredit and dumb down their own breed.
But then again, most people involved in Pit Bull advocacy don't care about the breed and don't know anything about it. They've learned most of what they know through the media and websites like Stubby Dog.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 14:10:48 GMT -5
^ Awesome quote. Almost as good as the quote I just read by a Pit Bull advocate who says she never tells people she HAS a Pit Bull when doing advocacy work because it makes you a better advocate that way.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 14:00:37 GMT -5
"I am by no means a breed expert, never claimed to be, and don’t really care to be one either."
Then sit down and shut up.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 11:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 11:21:34 GMT -5
My friend's mom had a huge boy that was absolutely the sweetest mush dog ever. He was well over 100 lbs and really tall and just a big baby. I did like that dog.
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Post by RealPitBull on Jun 28, 2013 9:43:44 GMT -5
Congrats on your upcoming marriage!!!
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